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Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by nickthemagicman »

DanBC wrote: post #319
incrudible wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"An intensive care doctor has warned that only five to 10% of intensive care beds are still available in parts of Germany." In most countries, running at 90% ICU capacity is the normal state of affairs, Germany being an exception. Of course you can always warn that the health care system is just about to collapse . In 2015: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/19/nhs-collapse... In 2016: https://www.theguardi…

You're ignoring the reality, which is that people died preventable death and suffered preventable harm because hospitals were overwhelemed. There are thousands of English HCPs talking about this. Here's one: https://twitter.com/seahorse4000/status/1386263023900319745?... (That comment about staff is for their particular NHS trust, not the NHS as a whole) We rationed oxygen We shut the hospital I was managing icu pts…

Using twitter and the mainstream media are the new scientific sources.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by DrJones1098 »

robbiep wrote: post #300
incrudible wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"An intensive care doctor has warned that only five to 10% of intensive care beds are still available in parts of Germany." In most countries, running at 90% ICU capacity is the normal state of affairs, Germany being an exception. Of course you can always warn that the health care system is just about to collapse . In 2015: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/19/nhs-collapse... In 2016: https://www.theguardi…

It’s absolutely true that ICU capacity generally runs at 90% utilisation - ICU beds are bloody expensive (staffing etc). In NSW, Australia, where I live and work (and have worked in ICU) there is a statewide ICU service so if you need a bed and you’re on the other end of the state you can end up getting transferred 1500 km to be in one. Having said that about utilisation, what pandemic beds requirements meant in the…

You moved the goal post to encompass elective surgeries and other things.

The argument was: Did the hospitals overflow from Covid?

And they did not overflow anywhere in the world.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #322
robbiep wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s absolutely true that ICU capacity generally runs at 90% utilisation - ICU beds are bloody expensive (staffing etc). In NSW, Australia, where I live and work (and have worked in ICU) there is a statewide ICU service so if you need a bed and you’re on the other end of the state you can end up getting transferred 1500 km to be in one. Having said that about utilisation, what pandemic beds requirements meant in the…

You moved the goal post to encompass elective surgeries and other things. The argument was: Did the hospitals overflow from Covid? And they did not overflow anywhere in the world.

From the CBC: The latest on the coronavirus outbreak for April 20 [1]

> New Toronto field hospital prepares to accept patients as ICUs overflow

> Greater Toronto Area hospitals are so overwhelmed due to record COVID-19 admissions that some patients are being transferred to health-care centres outside the region.

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavirus-newsletter-april-...

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

#324

Post by DrJones1098 »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #323
DrJones1098 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You moved the goal post to encompass elective surgeries and other things. The argument was: Did the hospitals overflow from Covid? And they did not overflow anywhere in the world.

From the CBC: The latest on the coronavirus outbreak for April 20 [1] > New Toronto field hospital prepares to accept patients as ICUs overflow > Greater Toronto Area hospitals are so overwhelmed due to record COVID-19 admissions that some patients are being transferred to health-care centres outside the region. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavirus-newsletter-april-...

Covid zealots say #believeTheSciene but the use the news media as scientific sources.

Post an actual link to ICU numbers if you truly '#believeTheScience'

Here I did it for you.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=078a3...

Do your own data analysis and see ICU admissions are only up 15% or so.

Also, according to other media outlets, ICUs in Toronto haven't filled up, they're 'NEAR capacity'.....which has been the story for over a year everywhere.

The media drums things up to make money and should not be used as evidence for your argument.

The media also said San Diego ICUs and Houston ICUs were overflowing but it didn't happen.

For example, this sensation article never happened:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/...

Do you have anything supporting your argument of hospital overflow with substance?

Or do you get all of your 'science' from the news media?

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by DanBC »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #321
DanBC wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring the reality, which is that people died preventable death and suffered preventable harm because hospitals were overwhelemed. There are thousands of English HCPs talking about this. Here's one: https://twitter.com/seahorse4000/status/1386263023900319745?... (That comment about staff is for their particular NHS trust, not the NHS as a whole) We rationed oxygen We shut the hospital I was managing icu pts…

Using twitter and the mainstream media are the new scientific sources.

interesting that you don't level the same at parent poster.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #324
EdwardCoffin wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the CBC: The latest on the coronavirus outbreak for April 20 [1] > New Toronto field hospital prepares to accept patients as ICUs overflow > Greater Toronto Area hospitals are so overwhelmed due to record COVID-19 admissions that some patients are being transferred to health-care centres outside the region. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavirus-newsletter-april-...

Covid zealots say #believeTheSciene but the use the news media as scientific sources. Post an actual link to ICU numbers if you truly '#believeTheScience' Here I did it for you. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=078a3... Do your own data analysis and see ICU admissions are only up 15% or so. Also, according to other media outlets, ICUs in Toronto haven't filled up, they're 'NEAR capacity'.....whi…

I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for any third party who might read them.

First you attacked a comment (above), claiming they'd moved goalposts in their arguments, and then you claimed hospitals had not overflowed. Subsequently, you responded to a comment providing a citation saying they did, by demanding a different source - which is moving the goalposts, the very thing you criticized in someone else.

Here, look at this, another article showing Indian hospitals have overflowed, this time from Reuters:

> Indian hospitals turn away patients in COVID-19 ‘tsunami’ [1]

This is relevant because you yourself consider Reuters a citable source, at least when you like what it is saying [2].

That comment you cited Reuters in reminded me of another of your comments [3] (I actually did mark your words, as requested):

> Mark my words America is heading towards herd immunity as long as we stay this course, and this will be all over by the end of the year. (you, eight months ago)

How's that herd immunity coming along? Was it all over by the end of the year?

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-daily-coronavirus...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26732877

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24277509

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

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Post by DrJones1098 »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #326
DrJones1098 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid zealots say #believeTheSciene but the use the news media as scientific sources. Post an actual link to ICU numbers if you truly '#believeTheScience' Here I did it for you. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=078a3... Do your own data analysis and see ICU admissions are only up 15% or so. Also, according to other media outlets, ICUs in Toronto haven't filled up, they're 'NEAR capacity'.....whi…

I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for any third party who might read them. First you attacked a comment (above), claiming they'd moved goalposts in their arguments, and then you claimed hospitals had not overflowed. Subsequently, you responded to a comment providing a citation saying they did , by d…

I'm glad you marked my words.

Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid.

With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid.

It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted.

All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly not vaccination or restrictions providing the full herd immunity.

As for India sure I'll give you that. I should amend my statement to mean 'First world' countries with adequate ICU capacity had no ICU overflow.

You have to quote a third world country with the average personal income of 2000 dollars a month to support your argument because the hundreds and hundreds of other worldwide first and second world countries didn't have any hospital overflows. This is not surprising or unexpected and disingenuous of you to discredit hundreds of other countries in favor of a single country to support your argument.

However, the rest of the first world outside of India has had no hospital overflow.

Asking for a legitimate source this is not the news media.... is not 'moving the goal posts'.

You 'beleiveInScience' Covid zealots think the news media is science. I hate to break it to you but the news media is not a reliable scientific source. You should try to learn what science is before you #believe in it.

I'm not sure what you Covid zealots require to feel safe again.

I legitimately feel sorry for you.

You're in a permanent prison of fear.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

#328

Post by DrJones1098 »

DanBC wrote: post #325
nickthemagicman wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using twitter and the mainstream media are the new scientific sources.

interesting that you don't level the same at parent poster.

Parent poster was using links to mock the news media and evidence how unreliable and hypocritical they are.

You are using an anecdotal Tweet as an actual epidemiological citation.

It's very interesting to me how low the bar is for the Covid zealots scientific sources!

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

#329

Post by EdwardCoffin »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #327
EdwardCoffin wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not posting to try to convince you, as you're clearly beyond reason. I just find some aspects of your comments here interesting, and worth laying out for any third party who might read them. First you attacked a comment (above), claiming they'd moved goalposts in their arguments, and then you claimed hospitals had not overflowed. Subsequently, you responded to a comment providing a citation saying they did , by d…

I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly no…

I have to say, you never disappoint: you've moved the goalpost again.

You're implicitly conceding that contrary to your earlier assertions, there have been hospital overflows, but now are further restricting your claims to only apply to first and second world countries.

You're also ignoring the fact that I chose this particular article not because I couldn't find first world examples (I already did, see above), but because this one was from a source (Reuters) you've already endorsed by citing articles from it yourself.

Now you're writing a rambling attack to distract from the fact that you have nothing to support your claims, and can only try to evade the evidence against them.

Re: Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

#330

Post by nickthemagicman »

EdwardCoffin wrote: post #329
DrJones1098 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you marked my words. Texas had 40,000 people at a football game, has no covid restrictions, and is at record lows for Covid. With the exception of Michigan almost every single state has reached record lows of Covid. It's not an exact science but we have reached herd immunity in almost all of America within a few months of what I predicted. All with only 25 to 40 percent vaccination number. So it's clearly no…

I have to say, you never disappoint: you've moved the goalpost again . You're implicitly conceding that contrary to your earlier assertions, there have been hospital overflows, but now are further restricting your claims to only apply to first and second world countries. You're also ignoring the fact that I chose this particular article not because I couldn't find first world examples (I already did, see above), but…

Sure Ill concede that out of hundreds of countries, one third world country of India has had hospital overflows.

Any person with good faith and an honest mindset would agree that India is the exception not the rule.

Covid zealots are not known for honesty though.

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