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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by throwaway0xc » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 2:52 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #304

imgabe wrote: post #298

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> You are the one who brought sports into this. I simply stated he has been repeatedly accused of transphobia. His opinion on sports is part of that, but it isn't the only time he has been called transphobic. Ok, then find a clip where he promotes violence against trans people or any other group or tells people to hate them. The burden of proof is on people making the claim to provide evidence that supports it, not t…

You are arguing against points I never made. I didn't accuse him of transphobia. I said he can't go a few months without new accusations of transphobia. That is just a fact. If you want, you can go through those Google results from a few comments back and try to refute those accusations. I don't care enough about Joe Rogan to try to prove anything about him. I never said Spotify's policy was "a gold standard" or even…

This is literally "The Glenn Beck".

"I didn't accuse him of being a Kenyan. I said he can't go a few months without new accusations of being a Kenyan. That is just a fact. If you want, you can go through those Google results from a few comments back and try to refute those accusations. I don't care enough about Barack Obama to try to prove anything about him."

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sn_master » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

xsmasher wrote: post #233

sn_master wrote: post #93

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> Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? YouTube always claims they're demonetizing videos for their advertisers. i.e companies threatening to either boycott advertising on the platform entirely, or ones who don't their products appear in videos with certain content. Maybe Spotify is doing it for the same reason?

The threat of being dropped from the iOS app store for having offensive content would certainly motivate them.

How's that different from the YouTube app which hosted the same content for years?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sn_master » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 2:56 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #177

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According to this [1] Spotify makes 91% of their revenue and nearly 100% of their profits based on premium membership, not ads. I find it unlikely that they're messing with their users' interests to make advertisers happy that make up a rounding error in the profits. [1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120314/spoti...

I (N=1) would seriously consider cancelling my Spotify subscription if Spotify kept pushing Alex Jones. It's not that far fetched.

What do you mean by "pushing"? Recommending him in your home page, with no option to disable the said recommendations? Or just hosting him at all on their platform?

Do you have the same opinion about YouTube, which has every political spectrum and its polar opposite on the same platform?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 3:03 AM UTC

fareesh wrote: post #138

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by abandonliberty » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 3:10 AM UTC

k_bx wrote: post #129

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This is one reason I hope BitCoin gets more adoption.

I would rather move towards less discrimination based on person's nationality not because it’s impossible but because it’s not great morally.

Hey, I hope you're doing okay in Ukraine!

Usually it's business - not discrimination. Content is licensed by country, so the content owners (at least think) they can get more value elsewhere.

In a way we should welcome this. We don't really want spotify to determine what content to distribute globally.

Global platforms like Steam are aggressively discounted for Ukraine, so unfortunately Ukrainian audience members * Ukrainian market value is probably just not high enough.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 3:28 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #305

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>[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. ^ What’s wrong with that statement? It’s a crude way to phrase things, but it’s true. Saying trans women have a biologic advantage when competing against cis women is not transphobic.

> Saying trans women have a biologic advantage when competing against cis women is not transphobic. I never said it was transphobic.

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jukabo » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 3:49 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #194

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>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

> Here's a crazy idea, if you don't want your episodes deleted don't sell rights to your intellectual property for 100 million bucks to another party It is especially weird considering this was basically a foregone conclusion the moment Rogan signed with Spotify. Take a look at the HN comments when the news broke[1]. Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history o…

YouTube would likely remove the videos as well. YouTube removes videos by conservatives all the time.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Method-X » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 3:57 AM UTC

hoka-one-one wrote: post #85

basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

It's understandable. He's routinely allowed right-wing radicals such as Abby Martin and Gavin McInnes and Dave Rubin on his show. I personally would stop using Spotify if they started promoting such hateful content. Paradox of tolerance, etc.

I don’t know who the other two are but Dave Rubin, a right wing radical? He’s a classical liberal for crying out loud!

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sytelus » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 4:02 AM UTC

Why didn’t they just put warning that claims in these podcasts are not verified? I don’t understand tech righteousness and superiority what other people can and cannot listen. In this case, the thing sis already published, it’s already marked for mature audience. Why certain committees feel so superior of themselves that people cannot be allowed to listen some interviews? They even blocked coffee maker because his views on longevity is too controversial? Wtf?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by wdr1 » Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 4:21 AM UTC

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

You forgot a forth group: advertisers.