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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by agumonkey »

GuB-42 wrote: post #311
agumonkey wrote: post #289

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I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

> When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over. I think I have seen the same argument about anime conventions. The idea is that a trend starts with a small group of passionate people, as things get bigger and more popular, followers arrive. Followers are not really passionate, they just jump on the bandwagon, but will leave and jump on an…

It's probably nothing new either. Even on boards people complained about waves of newcomers... spirit comes and go. The thing is when the wrong part of society turns it into a regular materially beneficial event it loses it's edge.

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Post by lc9er »

krick wrote: post #284
airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

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Post by imaginationra »

JacobSuperslav wrote: post #215
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

how is youtube counterculture?

It's just a platform and for now we can put things like this on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3SDNrxe-1M

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Post by imaginationra »

airhead969 wrote: post #114
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100

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> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Special sandboxes with purple sand surrounded in velvet ropes only the cool kids know about. And with unlimited fresh lemonade, chocolate milk, and warm chocolate-chip cookies. You can almost see one during the winter solstice.

This is where the cool kids hang out- at this concert in Funland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tk5REKdZso

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Post by irrational »

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

TIL that I’m a social media hipster. And here I was thinking that I never got a Facebook, Instagram, etc. account because I am an old fart.

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Post by imaginationra »

greenonions wrote: post #102
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100

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> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

Youtube apparently. (This was sarcasm)

You are correct fine onion- This is youtube in 2084 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ3fOdorpCQ

Great sarcasm by the way- its going to inspire generations of smart asses with the smooth chill it was written with. Snarky and effortless.

Its like they were so confident in their sarcastic wit they had to include the parenthetical phrase- oh wait that was added out of fear of being misunderstood by the faceless crowd- quite the brave figure.

Build a 4k video platform and we'll use yours.

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Post by xyzelement »

TameAntelope wrote: post #295
throwitaway1235 wrote: post #249

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I'd like your thoughts on why their political beliefs are not vulnerable.

Because you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them. Unlike a protected class, which you cannot choose to be a member of. Being of a political party is not a protected class, nor should it be. The "most vulnerable people in our society" are the people who are discriminated on things they are, not things they do. Gab users are not the most vulnera…

> you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them

That's a really odd take. Throughout history, many of people have been prosecuted for what in retrospect many would agree are correct beliefs (eg: abolitionists, suffragists, believes in evolution, etc.)

Do you not feel sympathy for these people, who according to you could have just avoided all their troubles by changing their beliefs? Do you not understand how incredibly vulnerable AND critically important a minority belief could be?

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Post by TJSomething »

GuB-42 wrote: post #311
agumonkey wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

> When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over. I think I have seen the same argument about anime conventions. The idea is that a trend starts with a small group of passionate people, as things get bigger and more popular, followers arrive. Followers are not really passionate, they just jump on the bandwagon, but will leave and jump on an…

As someone who runs a small anime convention, there's a long tail of anime conventions that just barely sit in the black, unable to pay much to anyone. Those only really exist as passion projects.

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Post by malwarebytess »

JakeTheAndroid wrote: post #39
retrac wrote: post #28

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> While there may be no "algorithm" controlling the narrative you see on 4chan (or a straightforward and ostensibly fair one on a site like reddit), the content you see (and by extension, the narrative) is shaped by profit motive: From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion I've realized I have exactly one ou…

I find plenty of these types of communities through Discord, and I think that is part of the equation that's left out here. I don't really like discord much, but the reason I get when I do is to go check in on those friends. Usually these communities are just people that I've met playing games. I don't know that these would qualify as counter-culture or subculture, but they are free of marketing and advertising, and…

Discord is not equivalent. Discord is blatantly in with the current culture, including the prohibitive elements. They remove channels left and right, and monetize every bit that they can. Not a problem I've had on IRC, even on big ones like Rizon.

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Post by JasonFruit »

rossdavidh wrote: post #296
JasonFruit wrote: post #4

I'm going to have to read this again to see if it's brilliant or just pretentious. But I'm going to print it and read it again more carefully, which suggests to me that it may lean toward the former.

Keeping in mind, it can be both brilliant _and_ pretentious, especially in different paragraphs.

Having reread it, I'm going with pretentious but occasionally insightful. Like me, I guess.
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