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Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Post by nicoffeine » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:38 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #310

nicoffeine wrote: post #301

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> If we end up in an actual war, we'll have more to worry about than not getting the latest iPhone for a few years. This is a supply issue with silicon/electronics in general. At this point, it would be more of a disaster for any country to lose access to electronics than to oil. I'm not sure where you heard that manufacturing electronics is low skill, but I definitely don't agree. The point is that there's no differ…

Making the high value parts, the CPU, flash memory, camera module, sensors, Gorilla Glass, display panels, etc is high value. Do you know how many of the components on that list are made in China? None. They’re all made in the USA, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Only low value parts and final assembly are done in China yet it’s the low skill final assembly worth only a few dollars in value that counts as “manufacturi…

You are still talking about iPhone parts.

China is behind on leading edge integrated circuits.[1] However, China can manufacture a computer from entirely Chinese parts.[2] America cannot manufacture a computer from entirely American parts.

China not only made plans for a 100% domestically produced computer, they have already achieved it.

We don't even have plans.

[1] https://semiengineering.com/china-speeds-up-advanced-chip-de... [2] https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193625.shtml

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Post by jimmaswell » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

JimDabell wrote: post #156

jimmaswell wrote: post #120

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This still sounds pointlessly inconvenient compared to a wired mouse, not to mention reliability and latency issues that come part and parcel with wireless peripherals. I tried a wireless keyboard once and every 10 minutes it would hang and repeat the last key I pressed for 10 seconds. How much better is the situation today?

How long ago was this? You make it sounds like you last tried wireless peripherals in the 90s, gave up, and never tried again. I started using Apple wireless peripherals over a decade ago and haven’t experienced anything like what you describe once . I remember PC peripherals doing that kind of thing in the 90s though, back before everything switched to Bluetooth and everything used proprietary IR dongles etc.

Some time in the early 2010s, but it was from a clearance store.

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Post by DaiPlusPlus » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

joshspankit wrote: post #320

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #315

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(Right-handed user) I never release my thumb and pinky-finger from the sides of the mouse, so I'm always in control of its rotation. I should better describe it as "controlled-flicking": kinetic energy is imparted onto the mouse via the fingers - not the palm - but the mouse never loses finger contact.

Never ? Do you not type with your right hand?

“One-handed surfing”

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Post by formerly_proven » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #96

baybal2 wrote: post #79

I worked in, and around OEM electronics since 2007. I've seen many guys like Tim Cook, most worse off ones. He squeezes suppliers, and know what he is doing. Others squeeze suppliers, and don't know what they are doing. On one of my first jobs, I've been witness to one such negotiations down to single cents, and microns of plastic for a few million units customized charger order. The order was such a whopper for a sm…

This stuff is why USB-C PD scares me. You've got these manufactures that are struggling to make basic AC->DC inverters and now you want to throw on a negotiation step? Yeah, not going to end well for these cost cutting idiots. There are going to be destroyed devices and fires because some idiot decides "Just hard wire 20v and be done with it!"

My camera has an USB-C port, which can be used to charge the (removable) battery. I don't think I have the guts to plug pretty much any USB-C charger into a 2000 € camera. I can already hear a little pop and the not-so-faint smell of burned electronics just thinking about doing it.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Post by yazaddaruvala » Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 7:56 PM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #260

tkgally wrote: post #187

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> Apple no longer needs another Steve Jobs at the throne... Much as I respect Steve Jobs’ innovations, I tend to agree. As others have pointed out (though I can’t remember who or where), the iPad and iPhone marked an end point in several decades of advances in personal computing. A thin flat tablet that you operate with one finger! And it listens and talks and sees! Whenever I have read people lamenting the lack of s…

They're only an end point because Apple stopped innovating. Tim Cook is great as a process leader but he doesn't have an innovative vision. For all his personal flaws Steve Jobs was all about innovation and didn't mind risking the company to achieve it. Now Apple is in a stronger position than ever financially but it must the drive to innovate right now at any cost. It was really what made Apple great IMO.

What’s the incentive to innovate?

Other smartphone companies are “innovating” with many failed attempts. Apple gets to avoid the failures, refine the feature and deliver successfully.

“Playing catch up” isn’t an issue because Apple can bring any Android feature (hardware or software) to the iPhone in 2-3years.

For example the Swipe keyboard. I needed to wait a few years to get it after I switched from Android to iPhone, but I didn’t mind too much. Meanwhile, thank goodness my phone doesn’t currently fold and break right now. I’m happy to have a folding phone when the tech is 10x better.

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Post by MattRix » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 6:21 AM UTC

yreg wrote: post #259

jimmaswell wrote: post #143

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I'm sure it's better now, I just asked how much better.

Imho indistinguishable, at least outside of gaming.

Even in professional gaming, wireless mice have become the standard.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Post by MattRix » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 6:23 AM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #120

askafriend wrote: post #114

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It's not a forced dark pattern. Others are leaving out a lot of detail about the product design. * The mouse supports fast charging - 2mins on the charger gives you all day use. * A full charge will give you more than 2mo of battery life - nearly 3. * In 24 months, you will have to put it on the charger between 6 and 8 times TOTAL. With that context, the design makes perfect sense for a wireless mouse.

This still sounds pointlessly inconvenient compared to a wired mouse, not to mention reliability and latency issues that come part and parcel with wireless peripherals. I tried a wireless keyboard once and every 10 minutes it would hang and repeat the last key I pressed for 10 seconds. How much better is the situation today?

I’m not sure about keyboards, but as far as mice are concerned, wireless mice have become the standard for professional gamers.