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Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we're down in the weeds here - so I'll leave it at this. I shouldn't have focused it on tech so much, other people make the same category of mistake. The assumptions that I am talking about are basically this. (1) "people can easily do without Facebook", or the variant that "Facebook isn't very important to them" (2) There are viable replacements available to the people who do value this, at least in their ow…
Ignoring most of this, because you really are just talking about your own assumptions about what other people are thinking, which are nothing to do with me. However your example: > You dislike all my examples, try this one "Nobody needs a fossil fuel engine car". Obvious, right? Electrics are available and better in every way (just ask your favorite tesla owner). Telling people they can do fine without FB because you…
Ok, you haven’t said anything remotely convincing to me as to why these are a actually different category, rather than a scale. And you seem to be misunderstanding what I’m truly if to say prettty consistently. Regardless of whose “fault” that is , this really isn’t a good forum for getting into properly, so I guess I’m out.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#323Wow, those encouragements are very weak. "Get ads that are more personalized", "Support businesses that rely on ads to reach customers": why would I support businesses relying on that when only 1 out of 5 ads in my feed is not garbage? These encouragements make me think that Facebook seems to believe that their ads are useful, which is a bit insane from a user perspective.
I’m not on Facebook so I can’t speak to what you personally see. However, I think the “support small business” angle is going to be somewhat compelling. I have, for example, two friends who are starting a niche business, offering a good and ethical service, and reaching people in that niche through Facebook and Instagram ads. The customers they find love what they’re doing and happily paying. If I had Facebook, I cou…
Were there no small businesses before FB and internet tracking? Is there any proof that FB actually helped out small business? Wouldn't showing ads for tech on a tech site and ads for women beauty products be shown on a site targeting women be a good replacement instead of profiling you and tracking you everywhere to determine that you might be a woman interested in JS IDE and Aloe Vera cream?
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
Similar theory behind those “do you like this app” prompts that come from the app itself. If you tap “yes” they’ll give you the prompt to rate on the AppStore. If you tap “no” they won’t. This can seriously inflate an app’s rating and help prevent low ratings. Nice, underhanded and effective dark pattern!
The funny thing is when they do that, you leave a bad review, they delete your review, and then keep begging you to leave a review.
What App Store allows the developer to delete a negative review? That sounds terrible. Apple’s app store doesn’t allow that.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is called review gating and isn't allowed: https://appradar.com/blog/ask-users-leave-review-in-app-stor...
Nike Run Club did this to me just last week. The no button leads to a feedback form, the yes button to the App Store.
Unfortunately it's still widespread, as the rating dialog shouldn't come up during the app review process. So it's unlikely to get caught without being reported.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#326I met my fair share of wantepreneurs in the last couple years. The majority has no business plan and even no intention of making money. However, they’ve got an answer if you ask them: “We’re going to sell the data!”. This idea of collecting and selling the data to someone just became so deeply rooted into their minds.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet for every one small business like your friend, there is 10 scammy business (something like selling 1$ item for 20$ with 40% discount) who is betting 10x more than your legit friend for impressions.
I’d love to see numbers if you have them. The idea that hurting bad small businesses is a positive externality is intriguing. I suppose we could hope that, opt-in or not, the move away from easy user tracking could benefit ethical businesses more than what you describe.
Unfortunately I cannot share any data from the accounts I manage (mainly competitors are the shady ones), but simply you can go let's say instagram or facebook, and log the ads you saw (without clicking) in a single session (like first 20), then you can go check them. Probably what you will be interested will be almost at the end of the list, the first ones will be high margin products.
To be honest, I don't see hope for ethical small business without user tracking. That's why Facebook is pushing that angle, even it is very small percentage on the overall. Big players will be almost not effected anyway.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
There has been an article on here just a day ago where the "app privacy" labels turned out to be false, so clearly Apple doesn't actually police this very well.
I found at least one instance of that in my own research. Do you have the link to that submission?
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do believe small brands can get more ROI using social media than wasting their money on digital ads.
Isn't part of the problem that Facebook limits the reach of accounts once they get to a certain size? My understanding is that they basically block you from broadcasting to your friends. The ROI of a small business is then limited because after a point you have to effectively pay for digital ads anyway. Matthew Inman posted about this https://twitter.com/Oatmeal/status/923250055540219904 As an aside, this also reflec…
That's a good point. I didn't know about that, and I'll have to think about it.
Anyway paying FB's mafia style extortion probably isn't the solution.
Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> FB ads are effective and high value Not really. Digital advertising, frankly, sucks from the advertiser's point of view. It's just that people are online now and advertisers have no choice: the inventory providers are monopolistic and unregulated.
A more fair comparison might be that all advertising sucks from an advertisers perspective... but we just didn't have a good way to measure it. In the world of Nielson and print the only consistently measurable ads were brand ads - and brand awareness had a loose correlation across businesses with revenue. There was no way of rigorously testing whether individual customers propensity to purchase a good from a given b…
> There was no way of rigorously testing whether individual customers propensity to purchase a good from a given business was actually tied to any of the brand awareness ads that were being purchased
This isn't right. Of course there was - statistics, sampling and A/B testing was invented way before computers or the Internet existed.
Advertising is just applied sociology, and sociology is just statistics when done right.