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Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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I don't think this has been conclusively demonstrated yet.

There was one famous study that discovered wearing weaker glasses made myopia worse, and then everyone was too afraid to make further studies

I think you may be referring to Chung, Mohidin, O'Leary (2002) https://doi.org/10.1016/S0042-6989(02)00258-4>. I know of at least one other study confirming this result (https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1444-0938.2006.00055.x). This was controversial since it seems to be contrary to results of similar studies on animals.

However, in both of those studies, participants wore their under-corrective glasses continually, regardless of whether they were doing near-work or just walking / looking at a distance. This is a crucial error, as pointed out by at least Hung and Ciuffreda: https://www.oepf.org/sites/default/files/journals/jbo-volume...>. It makes intuitive sense to me that under-corrective or anti-corrective glasses should only be worn for a limited amount of time each time and only when doing near-work, in order to induce temporary pressure that the (feedback systems of the) eye can then attempt to correct.

Also see this 2009 review by Barrett regarding the more general practice of behavioral vision therapy: https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1475-1313.2008.00607.x>. Behavioural vision therapy is a wider term, referring not only to the effort to slow myopia, but also to correct other vision problems through changes in behaviour.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Well it is, because the more you are on your computer, the less you are outside.

Please see my other replies in this thread. Why are you both guessing at this?

It's not possible to know what caused my myopia - all I can do is guess based on the current evidence around the subject. Which is not as conclusive as you seem to think - the jury is still out on this subject.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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Has anyone here given this a try: https://gettingstronger.org/2010/07/improve-eyesight-and-thr... https://gettingstronger.org/2014/08/myopia-a-modern-yet-reve... It claims that myopia can be cured, just like muscles can be made stronger in a gym.

I've been doing the method in your second link (tl;dr: buy every pair of glasses between your prescription and 0 in 0.25 diopter increments, and slowly work your way down to 0).

I started at the beginning of quarantine, and it's actually been a wonderful time to try this since I rarely /need/ to look at anything farther away than my laptop screen. I started at a -2.25 diopter prescription in each eye. So for about $120 I got every pair of glasses down to 0.25 diopters, and a Snellen chart to track progress. Today, I'm down to a -1.25 prescription, although I plan on seeing an optometrist to confirm this once it's safe in the world to do so again.

The things I noticed during this experiment:

> It takes about a month minimum to drop down a prescription (I measure it as once I can reliably read to the 20/30 line on the Snellen chart).

> Given the above, I wear `current prescription + 0.5 diopters` whenever driving to make sure I'm well above the legal limits for driving (which is 20/40 vision)

> Going outside and just looking at stuff that's far away has the biggest positive effect on improving vision.

> Given 30 seconds of actively focusing, I can see temporary gains to my vision for the next 30 minutes or so

> My vision is waaay better in the morning

> I can now work on my laptop without needing glasses (still difficult to watch tv, though)

> Given the focus on what is and isn't blurry, I've started noticing the insane effect the brightness of a room has on how blurry things are

> I'm terrible at tracking data, given that I only have about 10 entries in my very basic excel sheet

> This has made me go on walks more often, which is just a net good all around. It feels "productive" to go for a walk rather than boring.

> It's very possible that this has only a limited return it can provide, since I've been plateaued at -1.25 for the last 3 months.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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As are most human senses! Definitely hearing, vision, and smell; possibly also perception of force and weight, though the evidence is conflicting there.

Don't forget sound perception, which is one big reason we measure loudness in decibels.

I said "hearing" :-P

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More details from the Bloomberg PR: Kubota Glasses technology works to reduce the increase in axial length associated with myopia by projecting myopically-defocused virtual images generated using micro-LEDS on the peripheral visual field to actively stimulate the retina. Passive stimulation using myopic defocus is already in use in the US with a contact lens, “MiSight^® 1 day” by CooperVision, which is U.S. Food and…

Strip the jargon away and this sounds like it's saying "wear weaker glasses" and the device is just a fancy way to still see normally while having a weaker prescription in your periphery? Anecdotally, among a bunch of my friends who are (a) nearsighted, and (b) mad about sailing ships, spending a couple of weeks out at sea staring at the horizon will make a significant temporary difference to their myopia.

I don't know why sibling poster is dead, it seems a fair question and I didn't know the answer so I've asked them and will update when I get a reply.

Edit: The person I asked said they wore their glasses some of the time but also spent some of the time without (when they were climbing in the rigging etc.)

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Ugh. I had fairly stable myopia and was content. Recently developed astigmatism in my strong eye and so my overall vision is substantially worse. Anyone know what can cause sudden onset of astigmatism in adulthood? It appeared a couple years ago and seems stable. Not sure over what period it appeared, probably in 3-12 months.

I always thought it was genetics or perhaps excessive screen time is my next guess but I've been told its not possible.

Screen time leads to less blinking and drier eyes

Perhaps that causes astigmatism? Perhaps the cornea needs blinking to stay stable?

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Your reply is a good example. I haven't seen anyone in this HN post's comments talk about how myopia works. I legitimately do not understand why so few people know even the basics of myopia progression. All of these comments are, pun intended, the blind leading the blind. I especially don't understand it given how common myopia is and how important it is for parents to understand it for their children. ------ 1. Glas…

Thank you, this is interesting! >I have a serious question: did you not come across any of this research? I hadn't seen the more recent developments on these preventative glasses, no. However I don't tend to give too much credence to individual studies especially when reported through mainstream media. You see such studies and articles supporting all kinds of contradictory conclusions all the time. Wikipedia isn't a…

> The near work hypothesis, also referred to as the "use-abuse theory" states that spending time involved in near work strains the intraocular and extraocular muscles.

Goodness Wikipedia, this isn't the theory at all. It has nothing to do with muscle strain. We know for a fact that in youth, the eyeball grows longer when it's overfocusing (especially in fovea), and stops growing when things are blurry. That's how it maintain focus as you grow and age. This isn't a theory, it's how the eye works. There are already multiple types of technology that successfully slow and stop myopia based on this principle, as listed in my post.

The mechanism of outdoor light is just a hypothesis without known direct link. It may be related but there's no direct evidence for it yet.

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Focusing on infinity more has been tested using glasses designed to force this, it was a popular theory for 60 years or so, and many opticians prescribed glasses which forced people to do this as a result. I cant find it atm, but the result according to a large metastudy was that it caused headaches, and nothing else of note.

Wow in what country do you live in? I have NEVER in my live even have an optician hint at that. The best I got so far was slow understanding of why I am ordering glasses to focus the screen at infinity (one out of 10). All others stare blankly at me and say like "Uh that's illegal, we can give out glasses that potentially ruin your eyes". Well I kept thinking, "Yeah, that's just what you are doing all day" :D

Sweden, Third optician I had did it did it and explained "why", including pointing that the last one also did it according to their logs. Both over adjusting by 0.75, explaining why the first year with each pair gave me a headache. I looked into the causes of nearsightedness afterwards, including the focus nearby/read too much myth, as well I definitely read enough. So was prepared to stop the next optician. But she just called the earlier ones idiots when I mentioned it. Terminal glasses worked well for me.

Re: Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in Asia

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The currently favored theory is that it's due to a lack of UV light reaching the eye. It's not (just) video games, it's (also) school and generally being indoors instead of out at midday.

There's no such theory, and exposure to light brightness has nothing to do with myopia. Being outdoors causes less close up focus, which slows the progression of myopia.

Not "light brightness," whatever that's supposed to mean, but UV light.
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