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Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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I've been around photography for a while. This is sad news but not surprising. Mobile phones have gotten good enough that you don't need a DSLR anymore to take "nice pictures." All the computational photography to create fake bokeh, good low-light photos, etc. pretty much ate up all the demand for DSLR. If you look at the photos on a big monitor, you can spot the difference between a DSLR and smartphone. But on a sma…

Strong disagree here.

I'm not sure what's going on, but this craze about computational photography is ruining cellphone photography for me.

Try to take a selfie with the iPhone 12 Pro. It's awful. If you use the regular camera, it generates an HDR selfie exaggerating every imperfection on your face. And if you use portrait, it applies a fake looking blur and softness to your skin and is incredibly strict on framing.

Camera photography is moving further from realism and I don't want a part of it.

Turn the camera around and you get similar problems. From detail-less low-light images, to sun-saturated indoor shots. It's like everyone took the Samsung model and ran with it.

My DSLR is the only lens I have that can produce a realistic photo nowadays and give me access to the raw sensor data.

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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"Here" being Japan? Most of those cheap home goods (Muji etc) are made in China now.

Even Daiso has tons of made-in-Japan dollar store goods of superb quality.

Daiso is the canonical example of a Japanese company that makes virtually everything in China.

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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If you use multiple exposures for exposure blending you lose sensitivity, and in the case of fast shutter speeds image quality plummets. Phones are simply not better at taking non-blury pictures in very lowlight. Cameras evolved since the 90s, we have 5 stops of IS, sharp f/1.4 lenses and exposure stacking. The resolution advantage is not moderate at all. A 12MP phone is around as sharp as a theoretically perfect 8MP…

>Diffraction absolutely doesn't come out as a wash. What matters is the actual diameter of the aperture, not the ratio It's actually the f stop that matters for diffraction, not the absolute diameter. Roughly, this is because the light spreads more with a longer focal length because it has a longer distance over which to diverge. If you crunch the numbers this exactly compensates for the larger absolute diameter of t…

I'm not talking about linear resolution. I'm talking about angular resolution.

Here, the airy disk diameter is the image size. At the same magnification, the image height is proportional to the object size.

Since when the f number is smaller, at the same magnification, substituting in the thin lens formula with the magnification, you find that the object size is inversely proportional to the focal length.

From this you come to the conclusion that, at the same focus distance, the smallest object you can image is a function of the absolute diameter of the aperture.

Intuitively, this is because even though the airy disk has the same size, the focal length is much smaller, therefore the field of view is much wider for the same sensor size, therefore the angular confusion is much bigger, therefore for the same FoV at the same f number detail goes down.

Or put another way, yes the light spreads more, but the sensor on a camera is bigger, so in the end you have much more detail anyways.

This is why, for example, spy satellites despite operating at f/11 or so can resolve much more detail than a cellphone :)

This is a standard exam question if you ever take a Wave Optics class, by the way. But as you say, enthusiast discussion, such as on DPReview, is often based on basic misconceptions about optics :)

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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Oh this is too bad. Can someone knowledgeble about comment on whether there may be a second-order impact on lens-making for e.g. astronomy? (I got a tour of the Mirror Lab at the University of Arizona a couple years back; many large telescope mirrors are made here. Pretty cool. As I recall, one of the key steps involved getting raw material for glass from Japan.)

If you were on that tour, what you were probably seeing was the spinning mirror furnaces where they get their glass (in jagged chunks by the way!) directly from a Schott or Asahi, and I don't believe Nikon for example would have any middleman role there.

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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Doesn't a DSLR work by moving the mirror out of the way of the sensor when taking an image?

You are correct. That motion of the mirror itself is responsible for most of the noise, and some wobble of the camera as well. It's a trade-off, though. Seeing the actual image through the lens, and not a digital representation, which is what you get with a mirrorless system, has its benefits.

> which is what you get with a mirrorless system, has its benefits

I never found those benefits. What would you say they are?

Early on, the problem was mirrorless were slow in autofocus, and they had relatively terrible EV quality. Now they have better autofocus than mirrorless, and more importantly, with the very high resolution EV displays they have now [1], what you see is exactly what you end up getting. You don't have to guess about anything anymore, like what's going to blow out, which is fantastic. What you see in an optical viewfinder with your eye is not what your sensor sees is going to portray. I don't see any benefit to optical viewfinders at this point.

[1] 5.7MP OLED EV!: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1494679-REG/sony_ilce...

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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I think there are a lot of "first-world" companies that have copied this approach. See also "Design and Quality: IKEA of Sweden. Made in [insert cheap-manufacturing country here]."

I've never met anyone who equated 'quality' with IKEA. Cheap, yes. Practical, maybe. Convenient, certainly. But quality? Sorry but haha. No.

Ikea has a few higher quality items, but not many.

Re: Nikon Is ending 70 years of camera production in Japan

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Cost savings, factories needed a revamp for new product lines, and Nikon is in a financial slump (an understatement at the moment. It was inevitable.

So far, it hasn't impacted a lot of their product line that was already being manufactured outside of Japan. But it does create a stain in the minds of those who know to look or have been on the Nikon train for years. Everyone always looked at their products with a level of quality that's going to be questioned now.

Nikon has made some great strides in products recently. The mirrorless race has been progressing fast, and optically Nikon is in good shape. Their biggest issues are financials, professional markets to an AF system that's not as good as the competition, and really really bad marketing orders from their Japan office.

Sony and Canon have managed to pickup so much momentum with great marketing and Nikon is moving the other direction.

But the "death of Nikon" warnings have been going on since I first picked up a camera in the early 2000's. They've always been behind the curve the in digital, and caught up when it was just too late and Sony had already dominated the mirrorless market while everyone else was still on DSLRs.

Disclaimer: I shoot on a Nikon D850 and Z6II.

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