Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine? • Hacker News Board

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by scrollaway » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:50 PM UTC

Hippasus wrote: post #305

I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a sk…

> I'll take the firing squad before any injections.

You know that firing squads aren't usually working in your best interests, right?

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by input_sh » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #276

dragonwriter wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What if somebody has asymptomatic covid infection? He or she spreads it without intent, you can not blame them. Yes, given what is widely publicly known about the disease, I can very easily blame people who are involved engaging in high-spread-risk behavior despite being a-(or, more likely if they are actually spreading it, pre-)symptomatic and who are thereby spreading the virus they don’t know they have.

Harsh. Would you be comfortable convicting those people with attempted murder?

Not who you're replying to, but not for ignorance.

On the other hand, if someone knows they've been exposed and still behave carelessly, I'm absolutely fine with charging people with attempted murder, endangering the public health, or something similar.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by krapp » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

Hippasus wrote: post #305

I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a sk…

>I'm a skeptic asshole who second guesses claims just because I have access to Google scholar and sci-hub, a good for nothing contrarian made dangerous by the internet.

Watch out everybody, we got ourselves a badass over here.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by Foober223 » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

I will take it as soon as possible.

I don't have allergic reactions.

The risk of the vaccine on 50k people has proven safer than a random sample of 50k people exposed to Covid-19.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by purple-again » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

amyjess wrote: post #2

Well, I was completely unaware that HN supported polls. This is a pleasant surprise.

I pulled down a copy of HN earlier in the year for analysis and was shocked to find polls among the data. It was a very small % of the total content, small enough I assumed it was an old feature that got removed.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by choward » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #20

amyjess wrote: post #2

Well, I was completely unaware that HN supported polls. This is a pleasant surprise.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097578 (which led to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097685 ) Evidence that no one reads the FAQ! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Why would I read the FAQ if I don't have any questions?

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by charonn0 » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

Hippasus wrote: post #305

I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a sk…

> Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision.

That's more of a religious thing.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by jnurmine » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

mongol wrote: post #75

dataflow wrote: post #28

Question—have there historically been any comparable vaccines whose problems have become apparent long after the shot (> 6 months) while having seemed fine before that?

Comparable, I don't know. But during the swine flue influenza, the Swedish government rolled out a large vaccination campaign, encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it turned out that children in a certain age could get chronic narcolepsy from the vaccine Pandemrix. About 230 children have been reported suspected to get this side effect from the vaccine.

Pandemrix caused many cases of narcolepsia not only in Sweden, but in Finland too. (And other countries, but in lesser numbers)

Apparently there are two types of narcolepsia, type 1 is an autoimmune reaction against a hormone which regulates wakefulness and sleep. Pandemrix caused the type 1 in some people.

The whole situation is quite well known in Sweden and Finland. Over the years, there have been news articles and documentaries on TV, and so on. It is very sad to see young children injured for life because of a vaccine which was supposed to be safe.

The majority of the cases got symptoms in a few months, but some after 1.5 years.

To crown this whole debacle, internal GSK documents with signals of safety concerns were ignored (Pandemrix adverse effects were compared to an almost identical vaccine called Arepanrix). [1]

I took the Pandemrix back in the days. I'm definitely not an "anti-vaxxer", but sorry, I won't be the first in line for another rushed pandemia vaccine.

[1] https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccines/glaxosmithkline-fails-...

Edit: reword sentence

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

Hippasus wrote: post #305

I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a sk…

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

natechols wrote: post #309

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos That was frankly my line of questioning. But at least in the German case, the vials and packaging looked legitimate. And it was a reputable doctor administering it at their home who claimed to have directly procured it, though I’m sure that meant warehouse workers or something in the middle, so who knows.

If that is the case everyone involved is playing an exceptionally dangerous game and I can't imagine that this would be the norm, especially since I suspect the thieves will get greedy and screw up quickly.

> everyone involved is playing an exceptionally dangerous game

Agree. From how prevalently I watched tests get mis-allocated a few months ago, however, I’m not optimistic about enforcement. Particularly given the political implications it would have for the leaders in power, who are supposed to be doing a better job at this.