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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by leetcrew »

floatingatoll wrote: post #252
mindcrime wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940) It was fine... until it wasn't (four months later). Anyway, this analogy is silly. Neither software nor bridges is exactly like the human body and the myriad of complex interactions that happen within. At the end of the day, all I'm saying is that A. under normal circumstances, it takes a lot of time to get a vaccine tested and approved - for good reason. And…

You’re suggesting that people prioritize decisions based on individual uncertainty over decisions based on public good. That the logistics of distribution will result in the same outcome as your suggestion does not mitigate the perceived selfishness of your suggestion.

> You’re suggesting that people prioritize decisions based on individual uncertainty over decisions based on public good.

this is a simplistic and somewhat naive take. the decision to approve and distribute a covid vaccine is not going to be based solely on "public good". a vaccine has immense economic and political significance. it's not unreasonable to wonder how that might affect the approval process.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by tantalor »

elicash wrote: post #294
tantalor wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the "actual work" includes distribution, which the govt is handling through military.

Yours isn't an accurate picture of how the vaccine will be distributed. State and local governments are involved, health agencies in the federal government is involved. But private companies play the main role here, too: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/08/14/trump-administrati... As I understand it, the role of the military is mostly in planning logistics: Army Gen. Gustave F. Perna (who is the four-star general…

Thanks, I definitely misunderstood what was happening here.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by Exmoor »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #312

Do we know how long does the vaccine holds? Is that like polio and lasts for years, or like the flu and you need a new dose each year?

I'm in a rush, so hopefully someone can dig up some actual links to scientific papers, but current immunity from naturally infected people has stayed strong and shows no sign of weakening. The immune response from the vaccination has at least as strong, so in all likelihood we're looking at very long response.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by floatingatoll »

whatshisface wrote: post #320
floatingatoll wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all ways to pressure them into accepting your viewpoint and getting vaccinated for Covid. No rational/logical argument basis would reliably succeed that I know of. People will surely try and no doubt some will succeed, but the argument approach is more likely to cause them to strengthen their anti-vaccination position than to change it. The only way to reliably win is not to argue. Be clear that it matters…

The idea that rational argument won't work does not imply that social pressure will... Or does it? How do we know? Have you ever successfully pressured someone into doing something?

Yes.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by chaostheory »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #312

Do we know how long does the vaccine holds? Is that like polio and lasts for years, or like the flu and you need a new dose each year?

Unless I missed it, there hasn't been any data released. I'm only seeing PR accouncements.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by chaostheory »

Exmoor wrote: post #323
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #312

Do we know how long does the vaccine holds? Is that like polio and lasts for years, or like the flu and you need a new dose each year?

I'm in a rush, so hopefully someone can dig up some actual links to scientific papers, but current immunity from naturally infected people has stayed strong and shows no sign of weakening. The immune response from the vaccination has at least as strong, so in all likelihood we're looking at very long response.

Doesn't immunity only last several months though?

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Post by bxrxdx »

lmilcin wrote: post #52
Neil44 wrote: post #37

This will save lives. However I imagine most people will end up getting the Oxford vaccine, that doesn't have the storage requirements or need a second dose and is a fraction of the cost.

Well, I wouldn't be so happy. Think about it. Out of million people only small percentage would become infected with covid and of that, only small percentage would die. On the other hand, vaccine must be distributed to everybody. Alternatively to people who, by occupation, have to contact many other people, daily. We don't know yet if there are complications from the vaccine. It is not possible to judge long term eff…

I take issue with this assumption "Think about it. Out of million people only small percentage would become infected with covid and of that, only small percentage would die." The virus is very contagions eventually most people will get infected, not a small percentage. The death rate is nominally low, but a 1% chance of dying is still a lot to me. Also the chances of getting long term side effects or just having a very bad illness are much higher.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by chaostheory »

m1117 wrote: post #157

I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

Life can resume right now. Everyone just needs to wear a mask.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vacc...

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronav...

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by hobofan »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #312

Do we know how long does the vaccine holds? Is that like polio and lasts for years, or like the flu and you need a new dose each year?

There isn't really a way to know for certain (as not much time has passed), but there are hints that it might last for years[0].

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immuni... (with links to the studies inside)

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