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YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #99

> this seems outrageous the same way DMCA'ing a Bittorrent client would be Why stop there? I can use my browser to illegally download content, so I guess we better issue a DMCA takedown that too. But who even needs a browser? Let's issue a takedown for the GNU Project while we're at it because I could use wget to do the same thing. In fact, I could write my own program to illegally download content, so we better just…

You're right! Apparently you can download all of youtube just by going to youtube.com! Guess those guys will be next.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #99

> this seems outrageous the same way DMCA'ing a Bittorrent client would be Why stop there? I can use my browser to illegally download content, so I guess we better issue a DMCA takedown that too. But who even needs a browser? Let's issue a takedown for the GNU Project while we're at it because I could use wget to do the same thing. In fact, I could write my own program to illegally download content, so we better just…

It's kind of amazing that computing in general, and the internet in particular, is as open and free as it is (contrast with the closed end-to-end "appliance" model of gaming consoles, or to some extent iOS). Cory Doctorow has been ringing alarm bells for over a decade about both technical and legal efforts to end general purpose computation itself, or at least to make it more the exception than the norm: https://www.…

> end general purpose computation itself, or at least to make it more the exception than the norm

I'd argue, cautiously, that general computation is already an exception. That's why I prefer Linux to Windows. On Linux I can issue a command from a general command interface (the CLI) to just play a video. If I only want audio, it's an option away. I can script things together. Most of my tools are interoperable. That's because I use FOSS, free protocols, free formats, free tech in general. Everything works together and everything augments each other. Windows, the popular workstation, is no that. It's a system of systems, where everything is a monolithic closed box that you can't get inside. It's inside your computer, you use it, but it's not yours. It's on loan from someone else. Interoperability is virtually non-existent, and there isn't such a thing as a usable CLI (an environment that would connect everything together). That's not general computing, I argue. General computing involves ther power to generalize, use the computing technology in arbitrary ways. Closed software, customer lock-in and all that other corporate bs is the anti-thesis of that.

Longer rant than expected. I find it a frustrating issue. Mostly because I intimately feel like we're paying a very high price for the greed of the few.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#323
post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are misunderstanding the legal argument. The DMCA Section 1201 specifically prohibits (among other things) technology that "is marketed ... for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." The example in the README is evidence of this. The argument is that youtube-dl is primarily used for breaking DRM not just that it could be used fo…

Calling the thing youtube-dl in the first place rather than GenericDownloadHelper or something like that could, I guess, be seen as marketing it for a specific purpose.

Sadly yes. Legally this was actually rather stupid.

Giving the project an innocuous name - think of a cute animal that isn't already being used as an open source mascot - and not explicitly mentioning popular artists in the README would have made the RIAA's case harder to argue.

As it stands now, whatever the ethics or politics, legally there isn't much of a defence.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #4

Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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post #298

Perhaps it's time to take a closer look at projects like Fossil that combine distributed version control with wiki and issues tracker built in. If the devs behind youtube-dl were using Fossil then picking up right where the DMCA leaves them is no sweat. https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki

Pagure is a git forge you can self host, where every repo contains not just project source code but also all related metadata (wiki, issues, etc.): https://pagure.io/pagure

This makes it very easy to backup and move all project data as needed. In comparison most other forges hold project metadata in an instance wide database, making it much harder to extract & import when needed.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#326
Wow even release downloads were taken down

  $ brew install youtube-dl
  ...
  ==> Downloading https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2020.09.20/youtube-dl-2020.09.20.tar.gz
  ...
  curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 451 Unavailable for Legal Reasons
  Error: Failed to download resource "youtube-dl"
  Download failed: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2020.09.20/youtube-dl-2020.09.20.tar.gz

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#327

Ok, so who's building a distributed, cryptographic, uncensorable version of GitHub?

Keybase, outside of the distributed bit along with the question of their future, provides zero-knowledge git repositories (they’ve literally got no idea what is in your repositories, including metadata).

I doubt any of Keybase's features from flailing around to see what will stick will last much longer now that they've been bought by Zoom.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#328

It is a bit of a tough question. How would I feel about someone borrowing a book from a library and then photocopying it to keep a local copy? If the intent was to re-distribute then I would not feel comfortable allowing it. However, if the proposed remedy was to ban personal ownership of photocopiers I would not even consider that a valid approach. But would I expect I could keep my own photocopied version instead o…

While photocopying books for distribution is against the law, I disagree that it should be against the law.

If 3 people all borrow the same book sequentially then it's fine. If one person borrow it, photocopies it twice to share with two others, then they've broken the law. And yet nobody in either case has made more or less money.

I am in favor of copyright law that prevents profiting from another person's work, but not against copying. Once your idea is public knowledge, there is no reason for it not to spread freely given how easy it is to transmit information now.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#329
The removal of youtube-dl is a loss to the open source community. I hope this does not set a precedence going forward and that authors re-establish themselves (and the bug tracker, which had immense amount of information).

At the same time, this lead me to browse the Github's DMCA repo, which has some real gems. For example, this DMCA takedown of repo with copied course assignment of a different student and did not comply with the Apache 2.0 Licence [1].

[1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-2...

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