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Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by bigbubba »

brigandish wrote: post #289
ceejayoz wrote: post #260

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There are hundreds of thousands of car accidents in the USA annually. There has never been a Mumbai-style terror attack, and the National Guard could be activated for such a thing. Some edge cases deserve more addressing than others.

> Some edge cases deserve more addressing than others. Not only is no one arguing different, the "hundreds of thousands of car accidents in the USA annually" has been addressed (in several ways). Perhaps other problems may also be addressed? > There has never been a Mumbai-style terror attack No, only in most (if not all) of the other G8 countries, but have they had a Pulse nightclub attack or planes flown into build…

> What's the response time for the National Guard if terrorists start attacking people in the street?

'Hours' would probably be quick, since you'd probably need to get the governor's approval first.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by bigbubba »

tekknik wrote: post #306
bigbubba wrote: post #263

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There have been numerous attacks like that in other countries, some far more extreme. I chose a single example to illustrate my point, but that doesn't mean a single example is all that exists. Anyway, the cops aren't using these armored vehicles to kill people, they primarily do that with guns. It isn't the use of these vehicles that concerns me, but rather the role these vehicles play in recruiting macho edgelords…

Or we can just do psych evals and stop this nonsense about things “looking” aggressive. You know what they DIDN’T do when designing the APC? Find ways to make it look more “tacticool”

Pysch evals are not mutually exclusive with repainting the vehicles. The aesthetic intent of the vehicle designers is irrelevant.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by tekknik »

bigbubba wrote: post #322
tekknik wrote: post #306

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Or we can just do psych evals and stop this nonsense about things “looking” aggressive. You know what they DIDN’T do when designing the APC? Find ways to make it look more “tacticool”

Pysch evals are not mutually exclusive with repainting the vehicles. The aesthetic intent of the vehicle designers is irrelevant.

But you’re running around saying it makes people crazy and militaristic by it’s looks alone, so it is relevant. Let’s discuss the looks of it because why are you scared of an inanimate object.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by tekknik »

bigbubba wrote: post #320
tekknik wrote: post #305

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Just like military are also civilians? Your comment makes no sense, what should they call themselves?

Soldiers are not civilians.

Read my reply literally above yours.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by tekknik »

darkerside wrote: post #318
tekknik wrote: post #287

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Yet they paint them tan when in military use. Honest question, why do you think black = intimidating?

Is that a challenge or an honest question, I really can't tell? If it's a question, probably because of its association with night and darkness, and it's contrast with bright colors. If it's a challenge, give me a basis because you're fighting common sense. I'm not here to convince you that black is intimidating in a way that pink is not.

It’s more of a wake up call, you’re calling a color intimidating. A color. Chase that mental rabbit whole for a minute to find out why.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by tekknik »

bigbubba wrote: post #319
tekknik wrote: post #283

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Some of the black on the metal hardware comes from coatings to prevent rust and other corrosion, not to look cool. Custom colored coatings (cerakote I guess if you want light blue) would be much more expensive. It’s not just simply painted black. The other hardware that is painted is done for camouflage, and I’m betting the vehicles were sand colored when they got them as a black APC is gonna stand out real well in t…

I'm aware that black metal components often have a protective black oxide layer. In another post in this thread I mention that the plastic 'furniture' could be made white at least. And in common police firearms, namely glocks, that's most of the gun that could be recovered. I don't think the Glock company offers such guns presently, but if there were widespread police aesthetic reforms I don't think supply would nece…

I’m still failing to see how this will solve anything, as you’ve yet to explain why you’re scared of the color black. GLOCKS come in a few different colors of frames, but not white and the frames are made from nylon, not plastic, and you’ve still increased the cost of manufacture because of fear of a color.

SWAT teams need camouflage so they can park vehicles and stage raids at night or early dawn without announcing their presence.

Why did you decide all cops are bad and start a war against them?

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Post by gravy »

tekknik wrote: post #325
darkerside wrote: post #318

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Is that a challenge or an honest question, I really can't tell? If it's a question, probably because of its association with night and darkness, and it's contrast with bright colors. If it's a challenge, give me a basis because you're fighting common sense. I'm not here to convince you that black is intimidating in a way that pink is not.

It’s more of a wake up call, you’re calling a color intimidating. A color. Chase that mental rabbit whole for a minute to find out why.

The only person doing this mental chase here is you. Why don't you just come out and say what you mean?

If you're really this confrontational about "the color" black being tied to darkness since pre-history (not much of a stretch there) and the significance of darkness being the physical manifestation of something like "evil" (also since pre-history) EDIT: and why "evil" is "intimidating", then nobody should take your contributions to this discussion seriously.

EDIT: I just don't understand how your response of "if black is intimidating, why do they paint them tan for military use" is in any way an honest argument. Did you simply not even think of camouflage? There are more important tactical advantages in warfare than intimidation. And now I feel like I did the job that darkserside was trying to avoid.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by tekknik »

gravy wrote: post #327
tekknik wrote: post #325

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It’s more of a wake up call, you’re calling a color intimidating. A color. Chase that mental rabbit whole for a minute to find out why.

The only person doing this mental chase here is you. Why don't you just come out and say what you mean? If you're really this confrontational about "the color" black being tied to darkness since pre-history (not much of a stretch there) and the significance of darkness being the physical manifestation of something like "evil" (also since pre-history) EDIT: and why "evil" is "intimidating", then nobody should take you…

Nope, you see I’ve been on the black isn’t evil argument for a while because I own various black colored guns. It’s a pretty common argument to say the black guns are scary yet nobody can explain why. So again, why do you think black makes it scary or intimidating?

I have, in fact if you see my replies to others you’ll see me point out that very thing. But people are going around saying the goal of painting it black is to be intimidating. If that were true then why doesn’t the military use the same tactic when they do want to look intimidating? This would imply it’s used for camo, like you said.

It’s not a race thing, don’t take it there because I most definitely am not.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by darkerside »

gravy wrote: post #327
tekknik wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more of a wake up call, you’re calling a color intimidating. A color. Chase that mental rabbit whole for a minute to find out why.

The only person doing this mental chase here is you. Why don't you just come out and say what you mean? If you're really this confrontational about "the color" black being tied to darkness since pre-history (not much of a stretch there) and the significance of darkness being the physical manifestation of something like "evil" (also since pre-history) EDIT: and why "evil" is "intimidating", then nobody should take you…

Thank you, and I'm sorry!

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Post by jessaustin »

082349872349872 wrote: post #293
jessaustin wrote: post #107

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What municipality is that? That is remarkably longer than the training taken by multiple family members of mine.

A municipality in one of denmark, iceland, japan, poland, switzerland, taiwan, or the UK. Compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23376741 (It's difficult to bear witness for any length of time without revealing far more than 30 bits of information about oneself. Therefore, my post history will narrow it down to the city, if you really wish that level of detail. But I believe the 2 years is the same for my "stat…

One bit of information was enough: you're not in USA, which is the context assumed by TFA and much of the rest of the discussion here. Congratulations on living where police are less of a menace.
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