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How Big Oil Misled the Public into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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Re: How Big Oil Misled the Public into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For glass bottles, yes. That's been done for a long time, and they're 8 cents a bottle. What's perhaps poorly remembered is that when plastic started to come into use in the 90s, the government decided that reusable plastic bottles should have a pfand of 15 cents, and single use plastic bottles should have a pfand of 25 cents. This means that bottles that specifically cannot be reused must be held onto and carried ba…

Maybe you don't understand the system but as you have described it is working as intended. Recycling is a meme. The point of a deposit system is that you return your bottles so that they can be disposed of properly. Maybe it is too difficult for you to understand but lots of people would litter without the deposit. There is no cultist conspiracy theory behind the deposit program.

The original intent of the glass bottle deposit system was not from the government at all. It was for the manufacturers to wash and reuse glass bottles.

If the issue is litter, why are glass bottles 8 cents, reusable plastic bottles 15 cents, and single use plastic 25 cents? There is no difference from an environmental standpoint whether you take your single use bottle back to the store or throw it in your recycling bin.

When the 25 cent pfand for single use was instituted, it was very clear that this was because the government wanted consumers to have to undergo the same hassle of returning plastic bottles as they did for glass bottles, otherwise, they would prefer to buy things in plastic bottles where they didn't have to haul the bottles back to the store.

The hassle is your penance for buying the single use product. Alternatively, you can throw them in the recycling bin and pay the 25 cents, but then you run into the other German religion of thriftiness. Throwing away 25 cents creates guilt, so even relatively well off Germans haul their plastic bottles back to the store.

Re: How Big Oil Misled the Public into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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A friend - a chemical engineer - worked on a plastics recycling project years ago (90's) They worked on recycling plastic, but the problem was: - it was very expensive to clean the plastic - even when the plastic was cleaned, it could only be mixed with virgin plastic at a very small ratio - single digit percentages - even the small ratio would weaken the plastic considerably. Think laundry baskets which are flexible…

Burning the plastic will release CO2. Just bury it.

Wouldn't that just be the same, just a different timescale? And then there's the energy expenditure of burying it.

maybe there's a way to have your cake and eat it too. reuse it for fuel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_gasification

Re: How Big Oil Misled the Public into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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Controversial uninformed opinion: Recycling is a major cause to the Homeless epidemic. Roads, brakes, weight are major causes to pollution. Heavy cars (IE. Super dense lithium, nickel, cobalt) will cause more pollution.

Was this comment generated with GPT-3?

No, but I kinda understand why I was downvoted.

Re: How Big Oil Misled the Public into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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The takeaway of the article shouldn’t be that no plastic can be recycled. PET does get recycled into new bottles, bags etc. And it’s fully correct, that new plastic is cheaper. Only if trashing old plastic is cheap, which it isn’t, because it stays with us a long time. And a state should put a tax on plastic to make companies feel the difference in cost and either avoid or recycle plastic.
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