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Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by obiye6657 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #268
tehwebguy wrote: post #158

Police should never be permitted to direct medical professionals to do anything to a person in their custody unless it is to save their life. Medical professionals should be hyper-trained on how to tell police “hell no” and to report their requests to an independent agency for investigation. There are other types of scenarios where out of control cops bully doctors and nurses into doing illegal things, two that I hav…

The cops involved went back to where they killed Elijah McCain and posed for a group photo, reportedly re-enacting his death. This is the behavior I’d expect from a serial killer. Edit: they then distributed or showed this photo to the rest of the precinct. We know because a whistleblower notified the media. To my eye, this means that they expected the rest of the precinct to approve of this behavior, which is extrem…

Daily reminder: THERE ARE NO GOOD COPS. Do not cooperate and do not trust them.

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Post by strombofulous »

ezoe wrote: post #289

Wow. Another reason I will never set my foot on US jurisdiction. It's just too dangerous. The law doesn't exist at all.

This is confusing to me because it seems like you're responding to the golden example of how this problem can be dealt with - the nurse refused, the corrupt officer was fired, and the relevant law was changed when it was brought to light. What could change in this story to make you more comfortable?

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Post by wonderwonder »

notassigned wrote: post #282
wonderwonder wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nonsense argument. Police in the United States kill civilians at a rate more that 3x the rate of the next first world nation. In almost all cases of police acting with bias, those same officers are surrounded by other officers who do nothing. All of these bystanding officers are guilty of the same crime. These cases are just the ones that are brought to the national attention there are many more that are no…

1. I am black. 2. There is no police brutality in my area, or crime for that matter. 3. I don't shrug and accept police brutality, those are your words. 4. I am not trying to spin a narrative, merely point out a narrative that is being spun by the media that directs attention away from actual solutions in favor of self-dealing sensationalism. Cops are humans. It is illogical to assume that there will be no mistakes m…

There are very few areas on the United States with no crime...

"Cops are humans. It is illogical to assume that there will be no mistakes made." They are but when they make mistakes people die or are sent to jail for decades or are stripped of their property. To give people this much power and shrug and say its a mistake is not acceptable. Very often these same cops have many / dozens of complaints against them and they still continue to act with impunity because they know that they are not going to be punished. A mistake is a mistake, 10 / 15 mistakes in and it is a pattern, extrapolated out over tens of thousands of officers and it is a systematic problem.

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Post by antioink »

scarface74 wrote: post #86
tomcam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Abolish the police. Sounds cool. I have had some bad experiences with cops. Suppose someone breaks into your house because of your skin color or political leanings and there are no police. What course of action do you recommend? Spoiler alert. You are also heavily armed.

So it’s not about abolishing the police. “Defund the police”, which I agree is a bad term, is about focusing some of those funds on social programs and only calling the police for true criminal causes. I am definitely not a conservative on most issues, but I am a strong believer in the right to have a gun in your own home and the various “Castle” laws. If you break into my house or try to take my car while I am in it…

> I am a strong believer in the right to have a gun in your own home and the various “Castle” laws. If you break into my house or try to take my car while I am in it, I am going to assume you mean me harm. Shoot first then call the cops.

Do you know how absurd this sounds to people in actual civilized countries? Kind of amazing how many of you Americans are living in some Wild West fantasy.

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

ryandrake wrote: post #290
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being charged is enough to hold you for 3 days, as well as to put you on probation for a couple months afterwards, even if the charges are dropped. This happened to a friend of mine when he was frustrated with an inland border control roadblock and didn't want to answer the questioning officer. He did not resist, was not violent in any way. He simply politely declined to answer. In the end it cost him over a grand to…

In addition, for most people, if you miss work for 3 days without an explanation, you'll be fired. If you miss work for 3 days and tell your boss it was because you were arrested, you'll also likely be fired. You'll now also have to answer "YES" on job applications where they ask you whether you've been arrested for anything (even if eventually charges were dropped or you were found not guilty). As an innocent person…

Yes, fantastic point. My friend was fortunate to own his own business, but he did miss some scheduled stuff and had to explain it to his customers.

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Post by AlanSE »

person1234 wrote: post #307
wonnage wrote: post #295

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Violent crime has been on a decades-long decline.

That statistic specifically refers to violent crime. The original poster is referring to mental illness and drug usage. They are correct that occurrences of mental illness have increased over time: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/03/190315110908.h... As well as overall drug usage (one way to measure is via overdoses): https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db329.htm

Let me start with that first link, because it's a doozy. You said "mental illness have increased over time", but the paper said that _certain_ mental illnesses increased in _young_ Americans. Off that bat, that representation of the facts is not right. But even worse, you are applying this to a discussion about belligerence towards police, and the _types_ of mental illness mentioned by the paper starts with, that's right, depression.

I do not envision depression making a person more likely to lash out in a police confrontation. In the comment chain here, this is also presented in a the-sky-is-falling kind of narrative about the danger of the streets in the US. I'm going to be honest, this is upsetting to me. I was willing to listen to where you're coming from. Is this how police think? I don't like that thought.

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Post by antioink »

minitoar wrote: post #298
ashtonkem wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cops involved went back to where they killed Elijah McCain and posed for a group photo, reportedly re-enacting his death. This is the behavior I’d expect from a serial killer. Edit: they then distributed or showed this photo to the rest of the precinct. We know because a whistleblower notified the media. To my eye, this means that they expected the rest of the precinct to approve of this behavior, which is extrem…

This shouldn’t be alarming. This is consistent with the behavior we’ve been seeing all year. This is status quo.

It should be alarming - it's important not to get used to such abhorrent behavior, just because it's the status quo.

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Post by eecc »

ezoe wrote: post #289

Wow. Another reason I will never set my foot on US jurisdiction. It's just too dangerous. The law doesn't exist at all.

No shit, I’m totallY on the same boat. Maybe I’m over dramatizing - after all I’m white - but I’m also EU, Italian in particular and who knows what racist subculture I might bump into in the US.

There are already plenty here, where I get called Maestro! and can often see the mandolins trilling in other people’s heads when my ancestry surfaces...

Screw that, no setting foot on US soil ever

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Post by darksaints »

strombofulous wrote: post #322
ezoe wrote: post #289

Wow. Another reason I will never set my foot on US jurisdiction. It's just too dangerous. The law doesn't exist at all.

This is confusing to me because it seems like you're responding to the golden example of how this problem can be dealt with - the nurse refused, the corrupt officer was fired, and the relevant law was changed when it was brought to light. What could change in this story to make you more comfortable?

The fact that it happened in the first place is the real problem. Cops do things like this because for the most part they can get away with it. The fact that something was eventually done after significant public outrage is of little comfort.

If you really want to know what we could do to make outsiders more comfortable, start here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enfo...

Maybe when we can be of comfort when we can finally get grouped in with other first world countries and not with 3rd world tin pot dictatorships.

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