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Re: GPT-3 has no idea what it’s talking about

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Thanks for clarifying what you meant by "undestanding". I think it's a bit too broad of a criterion, for example in the video above Morris is using "Tnetennba" in a new context but there's no way to tell whether he really knows what it means (the joke is not that he doesn't know, but exactly that using "Tnetennba" in the kind of sentence he uses it does not elucidate the meaning of the word). >> So if you can explain…

There is a bit a grey area, which is why I was careful say "the model learned/understood/knowns something" in my earlier comments. However, You seem to be making the Chinese Room argument. If you define meaning such that either no computer program could possibly "understand" meaning or it is unverifiable if it does, I don't think it makes much sense to have a discussion if GPT-3 does. Is there a test that a model cou…

The "Chinese room argument" says that external behaviour cannot be proof of consciousness, intelligence, understanding etc. What my comment above says is that you can't explain a word A by means of another word, B, unless you already know the meaning of B.

My comment is relevant to the question of whether GPT-3 has "understanding" or not, because in order for GPT-3 to understand the meaning of a word A in terms of a meaning of a word B, it needs to already know the meaning of the word B. However, this is what we wish to know, whether GPT-3 knows the meaning of any word. Observing that GPT-3 can use a new word in the place of a different word doesn't tell us whether it knows the meaning of the original word.

As of yet, no, there is no formal test that would convince me or a majority of reserachers in AI that a model "knows", "understands" or anything like that. The reason is not that I am too stubborn, say. Rather there simply aren't such tests available yet. One reason for that is that we don't, well, understand what it means to "understand". We don't have a commonly accepted formal definition of such ability. Without that, we can't really design tests to prove that some system has it.

The take away is that it will be a long time before we can know for sure that a system is displaying intelligence, understanding, etc. This may be unsatisfying- but the alternative is to design meaningless tests that prove not what we are trying to prove and proclaim the goal proven if the tests pass. This does not go well with the purpose of scientific endeavour, which is to acquire knowledge- not pass tests and make big proclamations about winning this or that competition.

In short, I'm not saying that computers can't have understanding, or that we can't know if they do. I'm saying that right now, these things are not possible, with current technology.

Re: GPT-3 has no idea what it’s talking about

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> Look, they're probably getting millions of requests. At least some of those people who are respected scientists in NLP/AI but cannot get access were almost certainly just over-looked. It was really seeing that even Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis cannot get access that pushed me over the line on this one from "be gracious, moderating access to a finite resource is hard" to "wow this is sketchy". You seem to have chang…

I had a belief (assume best intentions unless there's evidence otherwise). And then, later, I modified that belief given some new compelling evidence.

Are you saying that you modified your belief while writing your comment, or that you rewrote your posted comment after changing your mind?

Re: GPT-3 has no idea what it’s talking about

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And it also suffers from the tired assumption that GPT-3 (or any language models) should, or are designed to in any way, give reasonable answers[1]. All GPT-3 does is give likely continuations , given the training corpus. The prompts here are too short, and it could likely just be writing mediocre fiction continuations. Fiction tends to not be reasonable much of the time (to create story conflict). > "To understand w…

The have a layer that represents a face sure.. but that doesn’t mean it’s a deep understanding. It’s just an activation pattern.

It's an activation pattern, but it's not "just an activation pattern". The face activation relies on previous layers, the detection of each component. We can conjecture probably fair to say human brain object recognition (and other subconscious processes) use similar principles. All the components required to efficiently "understand", say a face, are there (not the shown visualization and architecture is for AlexNet, by now a very old and primitive model). I don't think we can ask for much more.

What transformers do differently from CNNs is attention/recurrence. They have modifiable internal state, while feedforward models just have the feedforward state that can't temporally be reused (which is what we mean by 'algorithm'). This is a feature of logical thinking (and our own logical thinking), but I suspect most of what is meant by understanding the world is already contained in the internal structure captured by those models. Most of I understanding, as far as I can tell, comes from both this structural, intuitive inference (that CNNs and language models do), allied with our ability to think -- that is, talk to ourselves -- and thus build explanations and models on the fly, still reliant on the structural, intuitive understanding that comes from just very large networks generating abstract representations, classifications, etc.

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