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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

#321
The example url in the article is:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL#Internationalized_URL

which is shortened in the address bar to:

> en.wikipedia.org

at the VERY least, I wish they would instead use:

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL

Same for Twitter and Reddit URLs, specifically. Don't hide the username or the subreddit.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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They are boiling frogs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog Little changes over time, so you don't see the end game right away. Signed exchanges and further hacking up / hiding the URL will come. This change only hides some of the URL, with a hover action that shows it again.

I really don't get why people think that signed exchanges are this super nefarious plot to destroy the open web when it's exactly the thing that would make a distributed web possible. Disconnecting content authorship and publishing with hosting so that literally anyone can host web content securely is fantastic! * Want to bootstrap your IPFS network? You can safely and securely host a huge chunk of the web from big p…

It's the combo of SXG and AMP, and not what that combo can do today, but what it could do.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

#323

Remember folks, Apple has been doing this in Safari since 2014. And there's been zero uproar over it at all. I don't understand why people suddenly hate this just because it's Google. For most users, total focus on the domain name is a security feature . For 99% of users, what comes after the domain name might as well be gibberish. I mean, it is a majority of the time.

The first time I used Safari and didn't see a full URL was the last time I used Safari. I didn't raise a fuss or take to twitter, I just stopped using it. I'm probably not alone.

In addition, Safari has a very small slice of browser usage in the overall scheme of things. I suspect the uproar would be just as vocal if their usage numbers were in the range of Chrome's.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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IMO this is the real reason why they're pushing hard towards this: However, it's also worth considering that making the web address less important, as this feature does, benefits Google as a company. Google's goal with Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) and similar technologies is to keep users on Google-hosted content as much as possible, and Chrome for Android already modifies the address bar on AMP pages to hide that…

I encourage everyone to use Firefox on Android just for the one killer feature of being able to install the full desktop ublock origin plugin.

The recent mobile Firefox is worse in every way that matters to me:

  ° Breaking recent add-ons (for the few add-ons that exist). I added a close-tab icon to compensate for the bad tab-ui. It's gone now.
  ° URL-bar hiding is wonkey. Some overlays disable hiding due to recent phising attacks. Now, for overlays, it is always present and hides the bottom of the page. This is very annoying when links are hidden behind the bar.
  ° URL bar (2): where have my bookmarks gone?
  ° URL bar (3): no more editing the URL if anything was *ever* searched in the current tab. Instead it edits the search. The URL is inaccessible. 
  ° After 'Open in new tab' there is an annoying delay for 'Switch' again hiding links.
  ° Tab selection is just bad now. Preview is broken. If anything is displayed, it is often the image of two sites ago, even if the page has rendered.
  ° Tab selection (2) no more moving the tabs?
  ° Tab selection (3) why waste so much space? Using only 80% of the screen. And every tab wastes two lines and a half of useful space. Why is only the domain shown? Why not truncated or cut in the middle? 
  ° Tab selection (4): newly opened tabs are hidden, you always have to scroll up as the current tab is always first, older tabs are lower.
  ° about:config is broken. Certificate error. Certificate error is broken too. Thus no disabling reader mode.
These are papercuts, every day, every time I use Firefox. /rant

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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The only difference is that Google has endlessly more clout and depth than AOL and my fear is that where AOL failed, Google may succeed. With Firefox succumbing this week, this is pretty horrible. I’m not a Richard Stallman type, but I think it’s come to the point where if you have even the slightest pretense of being a “free web” person, using Chrome or a Chromium-based browser has become unconscionable. This compan…

I've been using Firefox/Safari on my personal devices for a couple years now, but as a web developer I unfortunately can't not use Chrome at work because of its dev tools. I try to test on other browsers when I have time - I've always made a point to push for supporting at least Firefox, as an organization - but when I'm iterating I really just need the Chrome tools. Firefox's tools always remained one or two steps b…

I use Firefox as my daily drive, and I still don't get what's so special about Chrome's dev tools, I test on Chrome and open the dev tools but I prefer Firefox overall. It's a damn shame they fired the Dev Tools team however, that is not a visionary move on Mozilla's part.

Depending on your IDE, you can make it just open Chrome when you boot up web projects. That's what I do, but I do normal browsing on Firefox, it helps keep distractions away even. Leaving Chrome with only work related things.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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The comparison to AOL was my first thought also. Basically, Google have lived long enough to see themselves become the villain.

Google is many different companies and products, and some of them I'm so grateful for. They provide a simple product that does something magically better than the competition, don't screw with the recipe. I give them my data because I like the service. But the company-wide decision to manipulate the URL as a business strategy drains all my enthusiasm. The "U" is really important! The URL is basically a filename that…

Is it really a company-wide strategy to manipulate the URL? The Chrome change was based on user studies that showed that people do not understand URLs.

The days of URLs as a data access key are gone. So many other things (cookies, etc) go into controlling what pages show that what was originally a 1:1 mapping between URL and content is now a many to many mapping. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but that's the web we live in now.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

#329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Firefox/Safari on my personal devices for a couple years now, but as a web developer I unfortunately can't not use Chrome at work because of its dev tools. I try to test on other browsers when I have time - I've always made a point to push for supporting at least Firefox, as an organization - but when I'm iterating I really just need the Chrome tools. Firefox's tools always remained one or two steps b…

I use Firefox as my daily drive, and I still don't get what's so special about Chrome's dev tools, I test on Chrome and open the dev tools but I prefer Firefox overall. It's a damn shame they fired the Dev Tools team however, that is not a visionary move on Mozilla's part. Depending on your IDE, you can make it just open Chrome when you boot up web projects. That's what I do, but I do normal browsing on Firefox, it h…

Some of it may just be familiarity, but it always seems like there are little things that aren't all the way there. Some of the CSS property selectors aren't as rich, last I checked the profiling tools weren't as powerful, that kind of stuff. Things you could live without, but I feel a certain amount of responsibility when I'm on the clock to not hamper my productivity by using a tool that isn't the best one available.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Something I haven't seen anyone here bring up yet: many URLs are meaningless to humans past the domain. For an example, look at the top of this page. The only semantic meaning in the URL for this post is `news.ycombinator.com`. The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human. (But, of course, meaningful to HN's backend.) A lot of (most?) of the URLs on the web are not semantic . They're naked application look…

/r/webdev disagrees.
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