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Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by FooBarWidget » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 3:57 AM UTC

throw51319 wrote: post #277

russli1993 wrote: post #251

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CCP is formed from people who wants to defend China's interests and defend the country from imperial powers of Japan, British, France and more. CCP fought wars to defend the country, it is the imperial powers that invaded China in the first place, and they thought to divide the land, the rich resources and colonize all of the Chinese people. Who is war mongering? Are we reading the same 20th century history? What abo…

What proof do you have that China is all about sovereignty and border disputes? Why are they in Africa and selling advanced surveillance technology to countries?

They are in Africa to do business. I don’t know whether your claim of them selling surveillance technology is true, but even if it is, what does that have to do with your implied assertion that China is war mongering?

Many people point to the Sri Lanka port as an example of debt diplomacy. But what they fail to mention is that Sri Lanka is the ONLY example, that Sri Lanka is happy with the outcome, and that China recently cancelled debt payments for many African countries.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by geckbench » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 3:58 AM UTC

qlk1123 wrote: post #295

lihan wrote: post #211

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The bully really stems of that some do not recognise "one China", which is not the point of view in Beijing. You cannot say it's bully if Taiwan is part of China. If you have doubt, search "1992 Consensus".

Stop spreading artificial history like "1992 Consensus". It was not even mentioned in the 1992 meeting.

I just checked, it's the fact and you are denying it, be less arrogant and ignorant.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:02 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #268

kortilla wrote: post #264

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Ah, so you’re not with a company that has a good healthcare plan. This is part of what leaves the US healthcare system so broken. The experience is drastically different if you have an employer with a “Cadillac” healthcare plan. A recent tech company I worked for in the Bay Area charged about $50 pre-tax twice a month and I paid nothing out of pocket. The gulf between good healthcare coverage and bad coverage is what…

Third world countries have rich people who live with a substantially higher standard of living than the rest of their society, and yet we don’t consider that fact as evidence that the country is doing well. The existence of premium healthcare plans for the high earners or the wealthy is not a reflection of the healthcare system. It’s how much access most people have that matters, statistically.

Not rich or wealthy, this is middle class. 60% of Americans are happy with their healthcare.

If it was just the rich that did well, it would be trivial to get consensus to vote for change.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by vorpalhex » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:03 AM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #166

vorpalhex wrote: post #125

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Do.. you have a citation for that?

US prison system, law enforcement system. BLM movement. We do systematically repress them to lower classes, and also kill them directly (through a violent law enforcement system), and indirectly (deaths of despair, deaths from crime as a result of systematic poverty).

> US prison system

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6766

> law enforcement system. BLM movement

(I assume you mean what BLM is protesting and not that BLM is killing people)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

> We do systematically repress them to lower classes

If you are systematically repressing people, please stop. I'm not, so I'm not sure where this "we" is coming from.

> and also kill them directly (through a violent law enforcement system)

You are more likely to die by car accident, heart attack, suicide or coronavirus than cop. That doesn't mean we shouldn't improve the system.

> and indirectly (deaths of despair, deaths from crime as a result of systematic poverty).

I encourage you to fight poverty and the best way to do it is through donating to meaningful charities. That doesn't seem unique to the US though.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by 0xy » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 AM UTC

_7fvc wrote: post #260

I see this news as a loss for the US. It has to resort to regulations to stop TSMC from doing business with Huawei. When you can't incentivize your ally, that means your opponent's business is still very attractive. Regulations will only cripple your ally. Taiwan may comply on the outside. But inside, they'll cut under-the-table deals with China. They'll find loop holes to skirt regulations. Taiwan seems to be headin…

The US will defend Taiwan by any means necessary, including nuclear options. If they don't, they've already lost to China. Chip superiority is everything. If the US can't manufacture or source modern chips then it's over for them. US leaders and the military know this to be true. Taiwan is not Hong Kong. The US doesn't need Hong Kong. The US needs Taiwan.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by GiantSully » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:07 AM UTC

euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

“ Necessity is the mother of invention and nowhere else is there the capital, political will and now sheer necessity as there is on the Mainland.”

It’s also the mother of the GFW, which greatly impede the innovation. For example, many latest IT technology cannot be speeded effectively.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by 0xy » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:10 AM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #3

article conveniently doesnt mention the fact that huawei's 5g chip isnt sourced from an American design, rather its the Balong 5000 which has been around since january of 2019. the 16 nm chipset can easily be cranked out from Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) in mainland china, which is capable of 14nm runs. barring that, GlobalFoundries as they havent expressed any serious interest in Amer…

According to the US DoJ they use technology which was stolen from US companies, so it's at least partially American design.

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:11 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #271

kortilla wrote: post #229

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> So please don’t give me crap about China when our country is at the precipice of losing its status as a Democracy. I’m not sure you know what the phrase “at the precipice” means, but the US isn’t even close to losing it. The separation of duties between the state and the federal government in conjunction with the branches of government means that even a fully compromised election for one of the positions cannot tak…

By the objective criteria that the current POTUS retains his office despite ample, credible evidence of committing impeachable offenses. By the objective fact that he continue to commit more such offenses routinely and Americans seem almost numb to how unusual it is anymore. The precipice is the upcoming election, which if the current POTUS wins, will signal the de facto end of Democracy in the US, as he and his cron…

Nope, only one of the parties thinks that the president should be impeached and removed. This isn’t an entire party (House and Senate) going rogue either. The polls are similar across the entire population.

> keep democracy functioning (Federal Agencies, Judiciary, Education, EPA etc)

Democracy existed before the EPA, the department of education, and essentially every other federal agency. Consolidation of ever more power at the federal level is antithetical to democracy anyway - the federal govt is a republic of democratic states.

> which if the current POTUS wins, will signal the de facto end of Democracy

You’re saying that if he wins a democratic election, it will be the end of democracy? That just sounds like sour grapes over an asshole being picked.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by ajross » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #175

mlindner wrote: post #130

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Repeating the same lie in a reply doesn’t make it true. Recently there’s been an influx in the past few days of tons of sinophiles.

Is it true or not that Huawei sells more devices than Apple? : https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2020/12/30/huawei-still-... Is it true or not that Huawei wanted to use HiSilicon for all of their phones? That is obviously true. The consequence is that Huawei needs more chips than Apple, that would have been sourced from TSMC. Therefore, they had the intention to be a customer of at least equal size as Apple to TSMC…

> Is it true or not that Huawei wanted to use HiSilicon for all of their phones? That is obviously true.

"Wanted to" is not the same as "does". If TSMC wanted to preserve a potential growth market for their fab, they'd prioritize Huawei/HiSilicon. But they don't, because they're at capacity making chips for western designers already. So they can kill off the Huawei business without worry, because it's not costing them anything. Free PR.

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Post by pishpash » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:19 AM UTC

narrator wrote: post #134

systemvoltage wrote: post #127

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This doesn’t make sense. > On the mainland if you are a leading expert in this field or that, or belong to specific establishments (such as public security or state security) you cannot exit the country without permission from higher up the food chain. That alone will be enough to deter people from moving to China for even 10x salary. Getting locked into an insane Han-supremacy regime is walking into the dragon’s mou…

Also, if you are a billionaire the government can take everything away from that person in the blink of an eye if decides it doesn't like what that person says. In the west there are far more protections and due process rights.

Like you are a billionaire. In the West, as anywhere, the poor people have little due process rights in practice, and the rich depend far more on power than process for protection.

The government has many "legal" means to "take everything away" from someone, including taking away their means of doing business or their access to power, running stories to defame them, using threats of tax issues, fraud, sexual crimes, national security violation, and other means of control. Sound familiar?

If you think human nature is different because there is some scrap of paper from two hundred years ago you may be sorely disappointed when trying to redeem on your protections and rights, which it sounds like you've never had to do. This, mind you, is the same scrap of paper that claims all men are created equal.