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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Post by neves »

V-2 wrote: post #81
CalRobert wrote: post #26

This bit at the end was the most interesting to me. "For me, I stepped out into an uncertain future. I don’t really see meaningful human interaction anymore. I see a society that is impossibly distracted by likes and selfies, smartphones, and similar technologies, and I often find it frustrating to find my place in the midst of this new interconnected world simply because I was not there to naturally evolve with it."

Has it really changed that much in 10 years, or is part of it just the sense of alienation everyone experiences getting out of jail after a long time? I mean, 10 years ago people lamented over the exact same thing; and before that, and before the before. I can't prove it of course, but I'd bet you might feel that "human interaction" is not quite what you remember it to be if you had only just spent 10 years behind th…

Addictive always-on social networks are really recent. 10 years ago what was considered addictive were email and mailing lists.

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Post by heavyset_go »

koheripbal wrote: post #129
masukomi wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessive for most non-violent crimes. you miss the point. prisons are a massive industry with serious lobbying clout. Putting lots of people in prison for a long time isn't a punishment to the prisoner, it's a gift to the prison system. The "punishment" is just a side effect, and the longer it lasts, the richer the people in power…

10 years of prison time for a single non-violent crime is extremely rare in America. What can happen in certain states, is that repeat offenders are hit with escalating prison terms each time they are convicted (the classic example are the three-strikes-your-out laws), whereby someone can be sentenced to a life term. In those cases, sentences don't translate to actual prison terms since non-violent offenders are rout…

Most computer crimes fall under federal jurisdiction, and the convicted must serve at least 85% of the sentenced time in prison to be eligible for parole. The penalties are very steep for computer crimes compared to their physical crime counterparts that cause similar amounts of damage.

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

ghostpepper wrote: post #249
C1sc0cat wrote: post #202

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They did admit to hack scada system in a "clinc" - a some what serious offence that can have lethal side effects.

I don't have a strong position on this but I am interested in some opinions on whether it makes more sense for the punishment to be commensurate with the actual effects or the potential effects? eg. If you punch someone in an altercation, they might fall and hit their head and die - and people have been jailed for doing so - but if the same punch happens to not cause a fall, it will likely result in minimal bruising…

I think this usually falls under two considerations - intention and "careless as to consequences"

If you shoot at me with intention to kill, and miss, attempted murder almost always carries the same weight as murder so outcome does not matter.

If you punch me in the face on top of a cliff, and I stumbke and fall to my death, your intention may only have been tissue damage, but you were careless as to (reasonable potential) consequences.

And yes the falling and hitting ones head is iirc seen as a reasonably predictable consequence.

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Post by facorreia »

fsloth wrote: post #308
jonny_eh wrote: post #306

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These days it's more interesting, and justified, to hack into your own hardware, that you legally bought and own.

Yes. The direct analogue is trying to pick your own lock, versus picking a lock in someone else's property just for kicks.

Not even picking locks. More like smashing people's windows, grabbing food from their fridges while enjoying the satisfaction of being a l33t hax0r.

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Post by heavyset_go »

indigochill wrote: post #16

>The only solution to making me happy again would seem to download Ubuntu, mount it to a USB thumb drive, and get it installed. Had I known that Windows 10 doesn’t utilize BIOS, but has replaced it with UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which is a secure boot option that validates programs before giving them permission to run, I wouldn’t have wasted two more days of my life trying to install my favorite o…

It requires an EFI partition of a certain type, position and size. Wiping it when you install Ubuntu can be bad.

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Post by lukebitts »

bigbob2 wrote: post #303
jlawson wrote: post #260

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How sure are you that this wasn't a practiced sob story designed to extract money from passerby? I've heard many such stories just like this. Criminal beggars will A/B test and refine their story over years to optimize results.

I would think a "criminal beggar" as you call it could come up with an equally convincing sob story which doesn't involve revealing a "criminal" background. In my anecdotal experiences, random strangers asking for money almost always give the excuse that their church bus full of children broke down 10 blocks away in the bad part of town, etc.

I’ve seen people reward “honesty” too, like a beggar asking money for alcohol. I would be more inclined to help an ex convict thrown in the streets than a childrens bus or something

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Post by james-skemp »

bigbob2 wrote: post #303
jlawson wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How sure are you that this wasn't a practiced sob story designed to extract money from passerby? I've heard many such stories just like this. Criminal beggars will A/B test and refine their story over years to optimize results.

I would think a "criminal beggar" as you call it could come up with an equally convincing sob story which doesn't involve revealing a "criminal" background. In my anecdotal experiences, random strangers asking for money almost always give the excuse that their church bus full of children broke down 10 blocks away in the bad part of town, etc.

Isn't that exactly why claiming you're a recently released criminal would work? Who would use that as a fake story, in our society?

It's people who beg for money that have a story that makes them sounds like they're down on their luck that I think most people are wary of.

(I was bit by the 'thought I had more cash in my wallet, trying to get to a city 40-50 miles away but don't have gas' story. And heard the bus ticket story quite a bit. But if someone told me they had gotten out of jail on a long stint and the world changed on them while they were inside, and the system doesn't care ...)

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Post by uoylj »

throwablePie wrote: post #87

> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

I mean most of Asia does routinely punish way more severely for non-violent drug offences.

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Post by tw04 »

I'm trying to figure out why he's even being labeled a "hacker". It sounds like he installed a bot onto a system he already had access to as a security guard then used it to packet other kiddies. I don't see anything about remote exploits, or even breaking into a system - this is the epitome of script kiddie.

I get talking yourself up and hustling to make money, but it feels like a stretch to call this guy a hacker.

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Post by socialdemocrat »

Jabbles wrote: post #262
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #78

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FWIW, the rest of the world considers prison sentences in the US to be absurdly long. This guy apparently got 10 years for hacking; in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder.

> in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder Citation needed.

As a fellow European, I can confirm. If you don’t take our word for it then feel free to look it up. We follow cases in our home countries and are used to what sort of sentences get passed.
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