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Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by yters »

yters wrote: post #306
throwanem wrote: post #275

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Well, now you're just reiterating things you've already said and failed to support the first time. I guess that means we're done here.

I showed the crime rates went up after the riots because the police have stopped actively cleaning up crime. You never showed how the supporting evidence is wrong, nor why my inference was incorrect. You mainly nitpicked insignificant details. I would be genuinely interested if you can show violent riots have made life better for law abiding citizens in Baltimore.

look, i get the point that riots draw attention and show people are fed up. that makes sense

but, in baltimore that just led to lax police, more crime, and more homicides

i believe the same will happen with these riots. police will withdraw from blac neighborhoods, and the criminal element will have free reign. that is a bad outcome, and more innocent people will suffer than will benefit

we are trying to make life better for innocent black people, but being scared of the neighborhood gang bangers is not a step up from being scared of the police

and this will not bring justice for the victims, police may throw some sacrifices, but they otherwise will just be less caring about black neighborhoods and police mistreatment of black people, and the gulf will widen

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by bigiain »

mulmen wrote: post #285
vagab0nd wrote: post #279

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Can you imagine yourself being convinced somehow that this is safe to use? I've had similar ideas before that I ended up not pursuing precisely because I knew I couldn't find a way to convince people like you. See also https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords .

haveibeenpwned is explicit about not entering passwords you use . If you want to check a password that you intend to use then download the database and check for yourself.

hibp doesn't let you check passwords (at least not any more). It lets you check truncated hashes of passwords.

https://www.troyhunt.com/ive-just-launched-pwned-passwords-v...

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by bigiain »

nkbrd wrote: post #262
derhuerst wrote: post #256

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I opened https://github.com/everestpipkin/image-scrubber/issues/5 to discuss how to encourage people to use this tool responsibly. Please contribute your knowledge!

Do you really think that altered in any way images without any exif can hold someone accountable? Even videos can not be trusted nowadays.

We know leo uses parallel construction.

Even images without chain of evidence reliability might get you on "a list"...

Do you reckon cops invited to "run wild" with clearview ai _AREN'T_ gonna be running protester photos through it to see who to "profile"?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/clearview-ai-co...

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by abathur »

vagab0nd wrote: post #287
mulmen wrote: post #285

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haveibeenpwned is explicit about not entering passwords you use . If you want to check a password that you intend to use then download the database and check for yourself.

I don't get it. If I check for a password I used before, presumably I want to keep using it if it's safe. Otherwise what's the point?

FWIW, I don't think the post you're responding to is correct? At least, I couldn't readily find a place where HIBP tells me not to fill in the form. And it bothers assuring me that it goes to great lengths not to make it obvious what password my client is checking.

Your question is on target--one I've wondered myself--but I've come to the conclusion that it isn't for people who already have the sense not to put their passwords in random forms on the internet.

I can only assume it has 2 main uses:

1. Poke (some) holes in the bubbles of people with dated password hygiene practices (and a poor sense of how good other humans are at helping attackers reduce the possibility space) by giving them a playground to make new passwords against for a while.

For example, I decided to enter "silverfish3" in the form because I know more than one person who still uses passwords that are multiple characters shorter than this one. It's still turned up in the database 40 times. "dichotomy14" hasn't been pwned yet, but "dichotomy7" has already been pwned 5 times.

You don't have to use a real password of your own to discover that your schema is well explored.

2. I can only hope HIBP password search has scared a few thousand of the kind of person naive enough to fill in the form with a real password straight.

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by bigiain »

nkbrd wrote: post #262
derhuerst wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I opened https://github.com/everestpipkin/image-scrubber/issues/5 to discuss how to encourage people to use this tool responsibly. Please contribute your knowledge!

Do you really think that altered in any way images without any exif can hold someone accountable? Even videos can not be trusted nowadays.

Even being fairly familiar with deepfakes, I would very much prefer to avoid having to defend myself in court against prosecutors claiming to have "video evidence" of me murdering someone...

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by tal8d »

blotter_paper wrote: post #312
tal8d wrote: post #304

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Have you got an actual example? I don't even need to get into the race statistics with regard to police brutality, because the charges aren't even close to settling the matter - and you know it, you've already declared them murderers.

>Have you got an actual example? Of a cop murdering a black man in broad daylight and not getting charged for it? Hell, here's an example I just pulled up for someone else of a 12 year old black kid being murdered while he played airsoft in the park[0], the cop faced no charges and was subsequently hired by another police department in the same state. It's like paedophile priests getting shuffled around by the Cathol…

> > > You are baying for blood, not seeking justice. You can't even defend it with the infamously flexible ethics of utilitarianism, because the strategy has been employed numerous times - and it always results in the utter ruination of those that pursued it. Ask Zarqawi. Name one example of this strategy succeeding, I'm genuinely curious - because the only ones I can think of involve colonial subjugation tactics that ultimately resulted in self destruction.

> > Have you got an actual example?

> Of a cop murdering a black man in broad daylight and not getting charged for it?

Are you deliberately obtuse? Because if it isn't deliberate then we may have discovered why you think burning down a city is a good idea.

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by Uehreka »

DenisM wrote: post #153
Uehreka wrote: post #124

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It would be nice if our law enforcement had legitimacy and credibility, because then we could know that showing someone’s face would lead to them being arrested and facing a sentence commensurate with what they had done. But unfortunately this is not the case. Showing the face of a protestor smashing in a window will not lead to that protestor being brought to court and handed a sentence for community service, a fine…

>a protestor smashing in a window will not lead to that protestor being brought to court and handed a sentence for community service, a fine, or some light jail time. It will lead to extrajudicial retaliation and possibly death. Would you like to provide an example of someone being killed for smashing a window?

Sure thing, to pull from someone else ITT: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-acti...

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by [deleted] »

jariel wrote: post #318
fzeroracer wrote: post #314

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You're going out of your way to rationalize innocent people getting hurt because some people in an entirely separate city and incident are looting or causing property damage. All of the videos and incidents I linked showed 100% from multiple angles that the police were the ones instigating the issue. They shoved a woman out of the way because she was just standing there and sent her to the ER. Journalists were blinde…

"the police were the ones instigating the issue" - absolutely not true. The reporter shot in the eye and the reporter temporarily detained were literally at riots in Minn. Being at a riot when the police have lawfully asked you to leave is 'instigating'. Literally requiring the police to come and use force to move them, and 'the police are the instigators'? This defies reason. And the 'shoved' woman in the video walk…

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Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by _bxg1 »

girst wrote: post #315
aspenmayer wrote: post #293

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Easier to select an area and delete it from the layer entirely so that a transparent hole is left. Then make sure you cleanup EXIF and other metadata or you may have the original image still in a thumbnail field at reduced fidelity. Free online metadata viewer http://exif.regex.info Powered by FOSS (Perl-based) https://exiftool.org

Do not keep it transparent! The Gimp for example keeps the underlying colour data, and just sets the opacity to 0. this bug (closed as Expected Behavior) has a demonstration: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/4487

It blows my mind that there are so many ways to screw up something this simple.

Edit: to be clear I meant this as a commentary on the technology, not the people making the mistakes

Re: Image Scrubber: tool for anonymizing photographs taken at protests

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Post by jessaustin »

drewmol wrote: post #271
blotter_paper wrote: post #51

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What if you stop an EMT from checking the pulse of somebody who your co-worker has been choking to death for minutes? Does that make you an accomplice, too? If your city charged these cops justly then nobody would be burning it down; cure your disease and the symptoms will go away.

>Does that make you an accomplice, too? Yes, deliberately preventing anyone from providing care or defense for a person who's being murdered makes you an accomplice to the murder. >If your city charged these cops justly then nobody would be burning it down Doubtful. Here's a video of East 4th street in downtown Cleveland being destroyed by pillagers last night: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland…

"...a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?" -- Martin Luther King Jr.

You mention the pandemic. Somehow, our Congress has passed (in nearly unanimous fashion) five giant "bailout" laws supposedly in response to the health crisis, which have given trillions of dollars to powerful interests and pennies to normal citizens and none of the blessed laws have done a single blessed thing to provide health care to control the blessed pandemic! Meanwhile, comparable (though mostly poorer) nations have provided state-supported healthcare to all citizens, for decades. Are we sure the protests are only about racist cops? Besides, when they burn down the Nike store they aren't destroying too many American jobs.

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