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How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…
Police can break the law too. An officer's actions may or may not be legal and that's determined after the fact in a court of law. This doesn't happen all the time, but when police do break the law, or don't follow it correctly their actions come under scrutiny, data collected can be discarded from court, and even suffer personal blowback. What you're asking is how did it happen? That's because it's illegal for a cit…
This varies state-by-state, actually. Even in those where it is legal, it is very foolish, of course.
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I mean, it happened live on air, they were clearly identified as CNN and willing to comply with police orders - making the police's claim laughable. I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.
> I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera. Speaking as someone who's been to a lot of protests, ranging from "peaceful as a baby" to "as street medics we treated 1/3-1/2 of the protestors"... the same thing cops are always thinking. As an institution, they don't like the press, oversight, or public scrutiny of their actions. They react the same way to people with press credenti…
I can't help but feel that strong independent oversight is necessary, as the status quo is clearly insufficient.
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How is it legal Police carry guns. Legal is not relevant.
That's... silly. I carry a gun, too, but I don't go around arbitrarily forcing my will on others. The difference is "qualified immunity", not weaponry.
Cops ultimately aren't disciplined because there's no political will. And there's no consequences on the ground because they have more weapons, and importantly ready backup from other cops.
If you were in a gang, and carried a gun, you could indeed arbitrarily force your will on others for some time.
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Do you actually believe that the police force would send 50 heavily armed and shielded police officers to an area for the sole purpose of arresting 5 CNN reporters? Clearly, they were not actually sent to arrest 5 CNN reporters. The CNN reporters were arrested for interfering with the work of police officers on the site of a violent riot. If there was fire and broken stuff all around and a small army of police office…
For your first question- I have no idea. There was a heavy police presence in the area- I think they could have very well been sent to intimidate. Your second statement is not clear to me at all, and you appear to have absolutely nothing to back up your statement. In the video they clearly asked where they should move to and got no response aside from "You are under arrest." You are making baseless claims and don't e…
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> You're right, context is huge. The area had already been cleared of protesters. There was no imminent threat of any kind. I'm asking if you or anyone else has video proof of that. Are national news organizations exempt from an order like this to move (I know in some cases they are, but again, the lack of contextual proof here makes me question what they were told prior to what we've seen).
I know this is meta, but... seriously people, what's with all the downvotes? How could more information/context around a current event be a bad thing? I've been watching what happens, at they always come almost exactly 2 minutes after I post something - on this and another account I use. It's pretty clear that there's some downvote bot activity going on (in addition to the usual "haters").
What were these reporters doing in the hour prior to the arrest? Oh, nothing? Well, where were they at the start of the riots? Just getting to the scene? Hmm well, what's the police officer's story; has he had bad experiences with the press in the past? And so on...
Most people have seen enough coverage of police officers doing unreasonable things in order to make a judgement call based off the provided context here. By asking for even more context, it comes across as though you're trying to cast doubt on this situation and undermine what's honestly a national issue at this point - hence the downvotes.
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I agree. There needs to be more accountability for police. > Not personally, of course, the payments will come out of liability insurance (and, therefore, taxpayer coffers). I think this might actually be eminently desirable that the taxpayer is on the hook. We shoulder a lot of responsibility for our police (not the actions of any given officer, but the system that either fails to weed out 'bad apple' officers or fa…
Your argument for the taxpayer being on the hook is that it gives us an incentive to do police reform? Just put the officers on the hook instead, reform done. Doctors are on the hook for medical malpractice, works quite well and we still have doctors.
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Police officers make bank. In many places their salaries are public record. Plus, they get overtime and contract work as well. So their salary might be $80,000 per year, but they get overtime at like $60/hr, and they get work doing private security for movie theaters, events, etc. Probably at a similar rate. Then you factor in top tier healthcare and a very generous pension program, and their total compensation ballo…
> and they get work doing private security for movie theaters, events, etc. Probably at a similar rate [...] That's not even getting into collusion by the department to defraud tax payers. I once helped to organize a permitted bike race. As part of the permitting process, we needed approval from several city departments, including the police department. In the prior five years of attending races, I never encountered…
from the description of the YouTube video > Black correspondent Omar Jimenez had just shown a protester being arrested when about half a dozen white police officers surrounded him. Is there any reason to assume racism? it looks like two other people in the camera crew got arrested and they don't look black. It looks to me like CNN is trying to play the race card to stir controversy when there are millions of other mo…
Maybe. CNN is no angel of appeasing, but regardless of skin colors, these people were reporters doing their job.
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In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer who is in uniform and acting in the performance of his or her duties. This is a law with criminal consequences.
I don't know which state you're in, but all the state statutes I've seen saying that you must follow a police order use the words "lawful order" in the text. Also many of them have limited domain such as "while on a public road" or "during a civil disturbance". In the "refuse to move on after police asked you to" scenario here, the NYC case "People v. Galpern" is often used as precedent. In that case the defendant wa…
For those who are interested in reading beyond Galpern, some other relevant classic cases are Terry v. Ohio and People v. Cohen.