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India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by mikem170 »

ardy42 wrote: post #287
mikem170 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the impression, based on news articles at the time, that local officials were behind the initial coverup in Wuhan, lasting until national officials rectified the situation.

> I had the impression, based on news articles at the time, that local officials were behind the initial coverup in Wuhan, lasting until national officials rectified the situation. CPP propaganda strategically concentrates blame for any kind of domestic problem on local officials in order make the central authorities seem trustworthy and competent by comparison. While the local Wuhan officials definitely had an indep…

>It's also arguable that the central government is responsible for the coverup activities by the Wuhan officials, because they're the ones who've created and sustained the system those local officials operate in.

I like this line of thinking, I think it better reflects reality then the often heard knee-jerk reaction assuming that China is an evil monolith.

I wonder sometimes why I bristle at the comments painting China as an evil monolith. They probably do the same to us. Both systems have their own ways of enriching and defending those in power.

Perhaps it is because I don't like to blame others for our problems? The US bungled tests, was late to quarantine, the feds were contradicting states, states were contradicting cities, hospitals muzzled health care workers, etc. None of that really has anything to do with China. It comes across to me as propaganda to blame them for all that!

Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by autokad »

enitihas wrote: post #302
autokad wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

india doesnt have mass graves not because 'they are doing it right' or they are 'hiding the bodies', but because ITS WARM AND HUMID AND YOUNG. people are acting like idiots when it comes to this virus. take this article: "...others talk about the possibilities of the presence of a less virulent strain of the virus in India, along with the possibility that its hot weather was diminishing the contagion. Both these clai…

You are comparing totally non sense timelines. Five days after NYC, but so many cases before NYC.

if you think its nonsense get your logic circuits checked. India is closer geographically speaking. Their lock-down was extremely late in the game. The 5 days after NYC puts in context just how far late it was; I'm sorry you do not have the ability to see the importance of that.

Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by GordonS »

vbezhenar wrote: post #112
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #96

I’m a (foreign) American citizen staying in India and happened to arrive here a few days before lockdown started. I don’t understand how this is a mystery: India quickly locked down the entire country and going outdoors was consistently punishable by police hitting people with sticks (thankfully it seems like the brutality has eased up since the start and police are doing things like making people write sorry on the…

Did you see police beating people yourself? I have a suspicion that it was made just for camera to scare people.

As a foreigner who has spent time working in India over several years, I've seen it happen multiple times. Each time I was with India colleagues, and nobody batted an eyelid. It seems to be pretty "normal".

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Post by sharadov »

jaywalk wrote: post #282
sharadov wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job,…

Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?

What I really think is your inability to follow and parse a conversation.

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Post by standardUser »

core-questions wrote: post #320
standardUser wrote: post #272

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The speeding has been happening all over the US too and it makes me sick. These people should be fined into oblivion, cars impounded, licenses revoked. Now is not the time to be creating extra problems for society.

Typical city dwelling urbanite bugman attitude. There's never been a time when people weren't speeding at every chance, and there's never been a safer time to do it. Pretty sure if you continue to hide in your apartment you'll be safe from the bad people who are driving faster than the 1950s norm. LICENSES REVOKED, he says, SHOULD NEVER DRIVE AGAIN. You sound like an old church lady waving an umbrella.

If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph, they don't have the temperament to drive on public roads. They're just a sociopathic child with twisted priorities and no self control. What I find especially strange is how these people think they are somehow special and exempt from the law. They are not special, no matter how fast their vroom vroom machine can go.

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Post by enitihas »

autokad wrote: post #322
enitihas wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are comparing totally non sense timelines. Five days after NYC, but so many cases before NYC.

if you think its nonsense get your logic circuits checked. India is closer geographically speaking. Their lock-down was extremely late in the game. The 5 days after NYC puts in context just how far late it was; I'm sorry you do not have the ability to see the importance of that.

> if you think its nonsense get your logic circuits checked.

If you need to attack people to get your point across, it means your argument holds no weight.

You don't do lockdowns based on how some far away city is doing. Germany did lockdown months after Wuhan, yet they are doing fine.

> India is closer geographically speaking.

What does that even mean? Closer together? Closer together than jam packed NYC? Closer to jam packed NYC? Both of these are incorrect.

> Their lock-down was extremely late in the game.

Extremely late by what measure? Number of cases in country? Extremely late compared to which country?

> The 5 days after NYC puts in context just how far late it was; So comparing to random cities puts things in context? How many days after Wuhan/Lombardy Germany went in lockdown? How does this comparison makes any sense?

> I'm sorry you do not have the ability to see the importance of that.

I am sorry you can't reason politely.

Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by [deleted] »

_bxg1 wrote: post #249
arihant wrote: post #150

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is…

> Not a lockdown, sealed. How does this work with essentials like food and medical care? Does the government bring supplies to people since they can't go to the store?

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Post by trianglem »

jaywalk wrote: post #282
sharadov wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job,…

Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?

I found it productive.

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Post by kranner »

ksk wrote: post #314
kranner wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RT-PCR test apparently has a very high false negative rate; I've read up to 30% or even 40%. Also, they had all the other symptoms as well including fever and shortness of breath. One arrived in India with respiratory distress. The other fell ill a week after visiting a Covid hotspot -- Mumbai -- which he managed to visit despite a travel ban because he was a hotshot politician.

Where did you read that? Was it a reputable source that cited peer-reviewed data? We use RT-PCR every single day at our company (vaccine development) and we couldn't do our jobs if it performed so abysmally. The RT-PCR is the gold standard when it comes to detection.

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200432

Sorry, I should have qualified that fully. I meant clinical sensitivity for RT-PCR for SARS-CoV-2 for samples drawn from throat swabs, specifically. I know that my local hospital is only taking throat swabs, not nasal swabs; and all the press photos I've seen for testing in India is of throat swabs.

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