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Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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One bank that has astoundingly bad password requirements is Westpac Australia. Usernames are an 8 digit customer ID, and passwords have to be exactly 6 characters long(!) consisting only of numbers and uppercase letters. Try it for yourself, note that the login form only allows you to enter 8 characters for the username and 6 characters for the password: https://banking.westpac.com.au/ I complained to them about this…

Even worse, a major French bank removed their perfectly fine password requirements and replaced it with a 6 digit PIN that you have to enter via an on-screen numpad. They explicitly block password managers from autofilling too! And I had just managed to get my parents to start using one.

This is common in Brazil as well. Allegedly they are trying to avoid keyloggers. Obviously people just improved keyloggers to take screenshots at precise times.

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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Banking security is a joke. My bank calls me to talk to me and insists I give them my date of birth and address to ‘verify’ myself. Meaning anyone can call me, pretend to be my bank, I am supposed to give them this info, and then they have what they need to verify themself as me. Banks are dumb.

I did some tech consulting with some ex-banking Wall St. consultants. It's not a monolith. That industry is very conservative.. and some companies get so frozen in time that they become complacent and go full Equifax. They're always playing catch-up because every criminal and most people would like to rob a bank without a gun, so their threats are numerous and perpetual. (And then there's Wells Fargo.) It seems like…

What is particularly wrong with Catalina on unsecured public WiFi? Are you just making a pint about public WiFi or is there something wrong with Catalina?

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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> I definitely have Bank of America notify me when I do something out of the ordinary. -And such routines are incredibly efficient; while commissioning one of our deliveries (heavy engineering equipment) in Namibia a few years ago, I found that the local power electronics distributor hadn't heard of my employer, and were (reasonably so) reluctant to hand over parts for $13,000 or so and send an invoice to Norway. VIS…

I have one question We have all these stories of how our feudal lords have been nice and helpful But why not get the notifications yourself on your own devices? You can set up your own policies for approving transactions or whatever. I understand that the chargebacks can be done up to 60 days, which means “seller beware” in the current financial system as opposed to “buyer beware” in the crypto one. But in the crypto…

>But why not get the notifications yourself on your own devices?

That is what N26, https://n26.com/ do. You order a beer and when you have you first sip you get a message that there was a €3 payment to the bar.

You can also set spending limits from the app or website. And lock/unlock your credit card from the app.

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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Is it not possible to verify positional characters without storing in plain text ? off the top of my head, something like storing your full password salted + hashed along side each char salted + hashed.

If you store an individual character hashed then it is trivial to brute force it. I don't think there is a bcrypt work factor that you could use that would prevent brute forcing but would allow the individual character to be used for authentication.

i would definitely expect it to be less secure, but not exactly plain text?

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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It seems you're not getting serious answers here, so here's my take. Please report this via the US-CERT at https://www.us-cert.gov/report This will allow you to report it, eventually from an anonymous email address, without exposing you directly to the bank which might react bad to you. CERT can handle the coordination with the bank, this is what they do.

This very looks cool, thank you for sharing parent. I apologize for the nitpick, but I hope there will be some guidance on what an "anonymous" email is. (Ex: Guerilla at a public wifi like a library, an email created at a library, but not your usual email from a place other than your home) I worry sometimes that we assume people reporting security vulnerabilities will be security experts. I often meet people who are…

Anonymity is a part of confidentiality.

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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Really shocked at all the handwavy comments. > “It’s fine, there are more checks in place to prevent unauthorised transactions” > “Also, it’s insured” Well ok, that means the bank is protected, but what about my (sensitive) data such as transaction history? > “If anyone does anything bad, law enforcement will step in” Yeah, I totally trust a bank that can’t even properly deal with something as basic as passwords to n…

> Well ok, that means the bank is protected, but what about my (sensitive) data such as transaction history? If I recall, they already sell that to other companies. (It might not have your real name attached, but any one of the companies you purchased from can deanonymize it by cross-referencing their own charge log.)

Here is a citation: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jged4x/envestnet-yodlee-c...

Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?

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Until 3 years ago, J.P. Morgan chase would only store the first 8 characters of your password. They would accept more but silently discard it

>> Until 3 years ago, J.P. Morgan chase would only store the first 8 characters of your password. They would accept more but silently discard it Oh, I am sure they do. The big question for this thread is: how come this "8-character all-uppercase" password is a thing in States, but less of a thing in e.g. Europe.

*did

There was a forced password reset that enabled real password policies.

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