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Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Post by cheez »

vizzah wrote: post #320
jhh wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still remember how one German Islamist terror group just used their web-email provider's draft feature. They never 'sent' anything. There are often quite simple ways to circumvent this kind of thing.

Good, but your e-mail provider can still see it. And be forced to eavesdropping. Back in '90s I used a nym e-mail to receive e-mails anonymously and with no traces. In a few words - e-mails are encrypted with your PGP key and posted to Usenet groups, where you scan all messages and extract only those signed&encrypted with your key. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymous_remailer Yep, there are 1000 and 1 method o…

> Unless they'll get away with making everyone dumber, they shall fail.

This is not how it works. As long as enough people are not bothered, they will succeed.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

GordonS wrote: post #220

The idea that moves like this will "keep us safe" is utterly preposterous; there are a multitude of other ways in which terrorists (or the boogeyman de jour ) could communicate - are the UK and US governments going to insist on backdooring IRC, Slack and face-to-face conversations? Are they going to outlaw encryption libraries? I truely fear for the future that western governments, in particular the 5 eyes members, a…

The fight for power has this unavoidable conclusion. The saying that “knowledge is power” is more true than I think most people realize. He who knows the most holds all the power. It doesn’t matter who is in power or what their beliefs are - they would eventually have to resort to these tactics or risk losing their foothold. Those who don’t or can’t afford to will be overrun.

We dislike it even though we would be forced to do the same thing in their position. We dislike it because we aren’t the ones in power. Again, as it goes in the jungle, life isn’t always fair.

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Post by Lutzb »

spo81rty wrote: post #303
nindalf wrote: post #271

Yes, this is something that literally everyone who reads HN will oppose. Meanwhile do you hear the deafening silence from the average Joe who thinks he has "nothing to hide"? Don't hate the politicians who keep pushing this. They're just trying not to get fired. And the surest way to get fired in a western country right now is to be seen doing nothing about the terrorism problem and then having terrorist acts committ…

You are absolutely right. I also already assume the government can access virtually anything I am doing anyways. I think we are all naive to believe otherwise. I also have nothing to hide :-)

My questions to people who say they have nothing to hide:

- what are the things you and your significant other are doing in the private of your house?

- which co-worker do fantasize about, be specific in what you like to do.

- As teenager what legal/illegal drugs did you consume. How often did you pass out, who where the people you consumed these drugs with?

- What are your political leanings?

- How much do earn, where are your savings invested in.

- Which illnesses do you currently have, which exist in your social circle.

- what private information was shared with you by other parties. Are you aware of any wrong doings/illegal activity by other people? Be specific esp. friends and family.

Be aware that I will share this information with anyone in your social group/work/volunteering work whenever I feel like it. I may also share this data with extremists groups on the other side of the spectrum, if helpful. Lastly I can use this data to fabricate "helpful" information about you if necessary. Thank you.

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Post by spzb »

AnssiH wrote: post #12

Is there any more detailed info out there? I would expect such an accord between countries to enable data sharing, not force companies to record more data. So I'm sceptical of the article's claim for now.

Given that Priti Patel is involved it probably is nothing like what's being described. She's exactly the sort of politician who thinks that mathematics can be redefined by a policy statement on TV.

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Post by srbby »

jedberg wrote: post #197
fsloth wrote: post #176

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Unless your mom is planning to involve herself in illegal activities I don't see a problem. Most electronic communication channels are compromised anyway. If you don't want eavesdroppers, don't use electronics.

> Unless your mom is planning to involve herself in illegal activities I don't see a problem. I assume you'd be happy to post all your credit card receipts and emails for all of us to see then. You're not doing anything illegal, right? That would be the only reason you don't want those things to be visible.

Obviously not here, but I don't care much if LE sees them.

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Post by bityard »

MarcScott wrote: post #255
Simon_says wrote: post #240

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> Are they going to outlaw encryption libraries? Yes. Absolutely. That's the only logical endgame.

I've said this before, but you can't outlaw the maths. There's nothing stopping anyone from rolling their own encryption, using well documented algorithms. You'd need to literally outlaw Wikipedia. Hell, even one-time-pads could still be used by truly motivated bad actors that wanted to communicate securely.

Knowledge of encryption isn't what would be illegal, _using_ it to communicate would be illegal.

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Post by 9dl »

merpnderp wrote: post #246
Simon_says wrote: post #240

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> Are they going to outlaw encryption libraries? Yes. Absolutely. That's the only logical endgame.

Not possible in the US unless the Supreme Court stops giving a crap about the first amendment. Incredibly unlikely no matter how unpopular free speech might become.

In the name of Children everything is possible

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Post by OpieCunningham »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #268
merpnderp wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not possible in the US unless the Supreme Court stops giving a crap about the first amendment. Incredibly unlikely no matter how unpopular free speech might become.

If congress and the president decide they want to increase the SC to 99 justices and add and additional 90 of their choosing then that's when the US Constitution officially dies but it can be done according to the law.

What’s the difference between 9 of their choosing and 99 of their choosing?
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