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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by AstralStorm »

scarface74 wrote: post #287
bena wrote: post #276

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Somatotypes are pseudoscience.

Are you really saying that different people don’t naturally have different body types? I’m 5 foot 5 and 175 pounds. Based on BMI, I am “morbidly obese”. But I have a 32 inch waist, muscular looking legs and an objectively toned upper body with little body fat measured with calipers - 6 points. It’s not because I am a body builder. I’ve had this same basic shape whether or not I was lifting and I only occasionally bee…

Again somatotypes are pseudoscience, but belt size, waist-hip ratio and abdominal fat or muscle percentage are actual science.

You can look whatever and still be fat inside where it matters...

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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dpark wrote: post #249
DanBC wrote: post #233

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> You can absolutely increase your exercise and activity level. Exercise is important for health. Exercise does not help people control weight, and it may make people heavier. The fact that people insist they're scientific while ignoring the evidence is particularly frustrating.

Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss. It does not guarantee weight loss because an individual can always eat more than they burn (and indeed many do). That doesn’t mean it’s not a very useful tool for weight loss in a continued caloric deficit. Maintain your caloric intake level “at maintenance” and add 5 miles of running per day and you’ll lose weight.

> Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss

That's not what the evidence says.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by AstralStorm »

loco5niner wrote: post #228
hoschicz wrote: post #177

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They way to look at this from a insulin resistance perspective is that years overeating caused them to develop insulin resistance, which in turn caused them to become obese.

I'm sure they were quite obese before insulin resistance kicked in.

That depends, in some people it's resistance first (essentially prediabetes), in others it's obesity first. Some others develop insulin resistance when even moderately obese, there are a few who never develop it despite being extremely overweight.

The lower insulin resistance, the better the effect of diet, usually.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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RobertRoberts wrote: post #302
scarface74 wrote: post #277

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Aren’t you arguing against your point? You cut down the amount of calories in and you increased calorie expenditure. You probably also gained lean muscle mass that helped to increase your basal metabolic rate. This goes more to show what everyone knows based on accepted science.

No, because I think I presented my observation poorly. I think 100% of the weight loss is from use of calories, and limiting the intake of calories. What I meant to state more clearly is that I think the waste or _something_ related to the removal of the fat (after being used) happens during sleep.

I'd put it at 90%, because keeping BMR higher helps. It's very hard to run even close to half of the BMR extra for most obese people as that's very strenuous, many hours of exercise.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by AstralStorm »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #279
mattsfrey wrote: post #128

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This is a very false assumption, genetics absolutely do play a role in how much fat from dietary intake will be stored vs expelled as waste. Burning fat on the other hand, is universal and follows the law of conservation referred to in my other comment.

While I'm sure genetics makes a difference (as it does with everything), I doubt it's that significant. I'd be shocked if there's more than a 10% difference, if even that much. Would love to see a source that backs up your claim.

It's enough of a difference to turn a surplus into even a deficit. Long term, it makes someone skinny or obese, or preferably normal weight.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by AstralStorm »

driverdan wrote: post #260
RobertRoberts wrote: post #19

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>"Morning weight" == fasted and somewhat dehydrated weight. I was tracking weight loss over time, so it's not just water loss. I tracked weight multiple times a day to see when weight loss actually happens. If it was simple dehydration then sleeping would be irrelevant, but sleep is when something is processed, an action occurs that expels the waste/water.

Weighing yourself multiple times a day is just tracking noise. It's not a large enough time interval to track tissue loss.

Once a day is sufficient to establish the trend line in a few weeks.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by DanBC »

scarface74 wrote: post #304
DanBC wrote: post #233

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> You can absolutely increase your exercise and activity level. Exercise is important for health. Exercise does not help people control weight, and it may make people heavier. The fact that people insist they're scientific while ignoring the evidence is particularly frustrating.

This is both scientifically untrue and longitudinally true. Of course if you use exercise to help create a calorie deficit you will lose weight. However, every single study shows that most people won’t lose weight by exercising. They overestimate how much they burn and underestimate how much they lose eat. Exercise also tends to make you hungrier and it makes it harder to not eat more. Also, hardly anyone has the dis…

You appear to be agreeing with me?

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by scarface74 »

DanBC wrote: post #327
scarface74 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is both scientifically untrue and longitudinally true. Of course if you use exercise to help create a calorie deficit you will lose weight. However, every single study shows that most people won’t lose weight by exercising. They overestimate how much they burn and underestimate how much they lose eat. Exercise also tends to make you hungrier and it makes it harder to not eat more. Also, hardly anyone has the dis…

You appear to be agreeing with me?

I’m saying it’s more nuanced. Anecdotally, I spent a decade keeping weight off by exercising 10+ hours a week as a part time fitness instructor and training for runs. Even now I lose weight by exercising. But most people aren’t going to work out at the consistency and intensity that I do. It takes more discipline for me not to workout too much.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by scarface74 »

DanBC wrote: post #322
dpark wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss. It does not guarantee weight loss because an individual can always eat more than they burn (and indeed many do). That doesn’t mean it’s not a very useful tool for weight loss in a continued caloric deficit. Maintain your caloric intake level “at maintenance” and add 5 miles of running per day and you’ll lose weight.

> Exercise can absolutely contribute to weight loss That's not what the evidence says.

The evidence doesn’t say it’s not possible. If we were all homo logicus exercised consistently and kept our caloric intake in equilibrium to our BMR and added exercise on top of it, it can be done. But it doesn’t work in practice for most people.
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