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Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by wglb »

tim58 wrote: post #50
morpheuskafka wrote: post #8

I'm personally fine with this. FTP is a different protocol, just like BitTorrent. It's not part of the modern web, so it's just another loose end to tie up. Even though it will be around for a while, it's not relevant to Chrome's user audience/usecase.

I'm not fine with this. I'm of the mindset that code written 20 years ago should run today. This is a breaking change on a critical piece of internet infrastructure. Google, by nature of operating the most popular web browser, has a moral obligation to the community to provide a stable environment. There are something like 10^9 webpages out there. How many of these will become less accessible because of this change?…

>I'm of the mindset that code written 20 years ago should run today.

So you would have cp/m, MS-DOS, PDP-11 RSX-11M, Coherent, Vax VMS, old broken compilers for dead languages, IBM 360 TOS (yes, tape operating system), IBM 360 DOS, Sigma 5 Real-Time-Batch monitor, autocoder, 1401 software, Palm OS?

But for the love of all that is Balloons and Seashells, why?

More to the point--did Chrome have FTP 20 years ago? No, it did not.

In my opinion, they should have never put it there in the first place.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by ucs »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #182
jbverschoor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary. It’s a data only with maybe a motd. plenty of space to put ads. Especially if you’re looking for a driver

This is an amusing thread. FTP in the browser typically looks something like this https://imgur.com/20ooI9f Plenty of space for ads. HTTP is basically FTP with ads. Funny thought. Imagine if, to this day, the internet consisted of pretty much that. You go to ftp://nytimes.com and it just has a directory structure that consists of yyyy/mm/dd and the file names where things like statement-from-chinese-ambassador-to-aus…

You’ve just described e-commerce circa 1990!

On Usenet newsgroups and BBS conferences, sellers would post forms that looked exactly like that, except for the ads of course. Buyers would then send in their completed order form via either email/netmail or, preferably, via fax for added security.

I remember always choosing to fax in my orders; even way back then, sharing credit card details via email seemed like a very bad idea.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by untog »

purple_ducks wrote: post #318
Faark wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wouldn't be using FTP is they care about security. I don't get why there is so much resistance. It's an old, outdated technology that has to be replaced eventually. Yes, change is always painful. But this isn't like with RSS were the tech provided clear benefits we would loose.

> They wouldn't be using FTP is they care about security. ???? Using FTP doesn't put your computer at increased risk of being hacked. Not updating your browser _DOES_ put your computer at increased risk of being hacked.

FTP is not a secure protocol. That's why SFTP was made, even though it isn't really anything like FTP.

In any case, integrating FTP in your browser absolutely increases your chances of an exploit, though. When was the last time the FTP code was tested? Or worked on at all? I suspect it will have been a very long time.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by syshum »

elliotec wrote: post #278
syshum wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use RSS every day, I have 3 stops when I want to check on current events, my RSS Feeds, Reddit, and here...

Please share your favorite RSS client

Right now I am mainly using Feedly.

However I have been wanting to selfhost more so evaluating moving to either FreshRSS or TinyRSS,

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by pcwalton »

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #312
insulanian wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 I tried to switch to FF on multiple occasions, but it's a CPU hog on MacBook. Why is this issue ignored for so long?

Based on what I saw the last time I checked Mozilla's bug tracker, the issue has a low priority and no one is actively working to resolve it. From what I understand, it's a low level rendering issue.

That's not true. There was a roadmap posted yesterday and patches to begin to address the issue landed this week, including a new preference to opt into Core Animation. This is Markus' top priority at present. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Source: I wrote the initial version of those patches, though I think Markus has basically rewritten them all at this point.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by pcwalton »

insulanian wrote: post #309
fucking_tragedy wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they fixed the issue with excessive resource consumption when using Firefox on a Retina MacBook?

+1 I tried to switch to FF on multiple occasions, but it's a CPU hog on MacBook. Why is this issue ignored for so long?

"Resource consumption" in the parent comment refers to power efficiency, specifically GPU blits. That issue has not been ignored. I don't know what "CPU hog" refers to; the issue is not about CPU usage.

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by amaccuish »

syshum wrote: post #325
elliotec wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please share your favorite RSS client

Right now I am mainly using Feedly. However I have been wanting to selfhost more so evaluating moving to either FreshRSS or TinyRSS,

Weirdly after switching between many self hosted options, including Nextcloud News which lasted the longest, I ended up putting rss2email [0] in docker and configured it to SMTP (it can also deposit them onto an IMAP server directly) articles to my address. I then have an inbox rule that puts it all into a folder and another that deletes items after 7 days. If I want to save an article, I just move it into my "Archive" folder.

Why using email? I switch between phones, OSs etc and it was a bitch to find decent clients for the self hosted options on each OS. I can generally get my email everywhere, via ActiveSync on my phone, WebUI, thunderbird etc. And since I host my mail, the data never leaves my network :) It works really well, though I do sometimes feel like RMS having web pages emailed to me lol

[0] https://github.com/wking/rss2email

Re: Google Plans to Deprecate FTP URL Support in Chrome

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Post by coldtea »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #182
jbverschoor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary. It’s a data only with maybe a motd. plenty of space to put ads. Especially if you’re looking for a driver

This is an amusing thread. FTP in the browser typically looks something like this https://imgur.com/20ooI9f Plenty of space for ads. HTTP is basically FTP with ads. Funny thought. Imagine if, to this day, the internet consisted of pretty much that. You go to ftp://nytimes.com and it just has a directory structure that consists of yyyy/mm/dd and the file names where things like statement-from-chinese-ambassador-to-aus…

>Imagine if you had to upload a text file like this

Sounds like a total improvement over websites I have suffered... not to mention allows all kinds of third parties to create their own fancier ordering systems on top!

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