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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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I'm not sure how applicable it would be. Taiwan does have a military that would resist and Hong Kong doesn't.

HK also doesn't have TSMC, which if destroyed would put semiconductor progress and prices back 5-10 years.

It's too bad TSMC didn't open a second factory in HK.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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The whole comment mentions China. I believe this is another one of those fake news campaign running across Hong Kong as mentioned in news. HN is not fake news medium but is being made to generate fake news with conflated facts. Been on HN since it's birth, not fake accounts like yours or people downvoting critical comments with facts. Hopefully some moderator on HN reviews these comments for facts not conflated facts…

I like how this fake/troll account accuses its parent comment of being a fake when called out. It’s the proverbial ‘no u’. I can’t help but read this as China about to do some terrible things to Hong Kong and pre emptively launching their online troll army to try and whitewash what’s about to go down.

Please don't break the site guidelines yourself, regardless of how badly other commenters are behaving. It's egregiously against the rules to post like this here. Once users start slinging these wild accusations at each other, HN is dead and we might as well shut it down.

If you're really concerned about this, you should have emailed us at hn@ycombinator.com as the guidelines ask. If you're really concerned about the truth, you could have established it for yourself in a minute. A fake/troll account would not have been posting about haproxy clusters (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20407690), distributed version control (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11093397), and Go vs. Python (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9972355) for years.

What's actually going on with this frenzy of astroturfing allegations is humans finding it hard to tolerate how far apart their views are. It seems the only possibility one can imagine when the other person seems so obviously wrong is that they must be a liar, a spy, or otherwise illegitimate. We all need to stretch beyond this, uncomfortable as that is to do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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The countries you mentioned contribute to the EU budget, not Poland's economy.

Most of the EU budget is subsidies. A substantial amount goes to new EU members.

Half of EU budget is CAP which goes to farmers all over EU.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/key-policie...

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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HK also doesn't have TSMC, which if destroyed would put semiconductor progress and prices back 5-10 years.

In another 10 to 20 years that won't matter with Moore's law slowing down. Globally competitive foundaries are one of the CCP's goals, and the same slow down that let TSMC surpase Intel will let some Chinese foundary surpass or equal TSMC. Their competitive edge is going to erode away to commodification (albeit for those who can stomach.the huge capital investment).

TSMC has never been very competitive with Intel. Intel has long been a leader in semiconductor manufacturing, but they almost exclusively used it for making their own chips; they weren't a contract fab. TSMC, on the other hand, has always been a contract manufacturer.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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The whole comment mentions China. I believe this is another one of those fake news campaign running across Hong Kong as mentioned in news. HN is not fake news medium but is being made to generate fake news with conflated facts. Been on HN since it's birth, not fake accounts like yours or people downvoting critical comments with facts. Hopefully some moderator on HN reviews these comments for facts not conflated facts…

In case anyone is confused by this shill, the protests in HK aren't about HK wanting a closer relationship with the mainland. Quite the opposite in fact. Parent commenter is trying to spread propaganda while claiming "fake news" on the other side. Source: friends who live in Hong Kong and are eyewitnesses at the protests.

Accusations of shillage without evidence—and there is zero evidence here, because someone holding an opposing view is not evidence—are a serious violation of the site guidelines. Nothing comes closer to tearing this place apart. That's not ok.

Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20687637 and don't do this again.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Most of those troops will be from rural regions. Everything they know about the wider world is told to them by state media and their commanders.

Can we say the same of the soldiers the US sent to Iraq?

We can.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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I like how this fake/troll account accuses its parent comment of being a fake when called out. It’s the proverbial ‘no u’. I can’t help but read this as China about to do some terrible things to Hong Kong and pre emptively launching their online troll army to try and whitewash what’s about to go down.

I was suspicious of the same when calling out the parent, although the account is quite old and has posted about other things. It's possible it has been compromised or was constructed from the beginning to seem legitimate and recently "activated" to pre-empt and soften something horrible that may be about to happen. My comment is now greyed out even though I tried to be as respectful as possible when asking them abou…

Your comment was downvoted by users who haven't posted in this thread, probably because groundless speculating about whether another account was "compromised or was constructed from the beginning to seem legitimate" is a soft form of the insinuation the site guidelines ask you not to do here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. I very much appreciate the charitability in your first paragraph, but that later part is unfortunately still poison.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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post #158

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Most of those troops will be from rural regions. Everything they know about the wider world is told to them by state media and their commanders.

Can we say the same of the soldiers the US sent to Iraq?

No. First, the US has considerably more media freedom, so they had at least the potential to access non-government-narrative sources. Second, the US has a volunteer army, not a conscript one.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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China had its own cultural revolution during the same time. It isn’t remembered fondly and is often used as an excuse to nip any protest in the bud.

The Cultural Revolution is IMO something entirely different. To me it's a movement started by a dictator with the aim to consolidate power and purge the system of dissident voices. I'd love to hear other perspectives.

It is much more complicated than that. It was a protest for change that started it with mao’s consent, but quickly spiraled out of control, beyond even Mao’s control. Even before Mao’s death it was being vigorously disavowed and many of its victims were rehabilitated.

The CR made the party fear chaos above all else. HK actually learned the same lesson under the British during the same timeframe (Maoist protesters almost tore the city apart). Not that it justifies their behavior, it just explains it.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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It's been almost 4 weeks of regular HN posting since you've made a comment that wasn't politically charged or that mentions China. What gives, this doesn't seem like a normal account.

The whole comment mentions China. I believe this is another one of those fake news campaign running across Hong Kong as mentioned in news. HN is not fake news medium but is being made to generate fake news with conflated facts. Been on HN since it's birth, not fake accounts like yours or people downvoting critical comments with facts. Hopefully some moderator on HN reviews these comments for facts not conflated facts…

I believe that you hold your views in good faith, but the way you've presented them in this thread—calling the views you disagree with "fake news" and accusing others of having "fake accounts"—are against the site guidelines. The provocative rhetoric you've used in places, such as "prison cells" in referring to HK, is also against the site guidelines because it's flamebait. If your posts include provocations like this, they're guaranteed to start a flamewar, and that's just what we're trying to avoid here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Your account had also been breaking the site guidelines by using HN primarily for political and national arguments. That's against the rules, but I see you've already begun correcting it with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20686964, which is good. For more about how we apply this test, see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... and https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... if interested.

I appreciate the difficulty you face, and that anyone faces, when presenting a minority view on a highly charged topic. HN's population, though international, is largely Western, and that inevitably determines the majority view on China/Hong Kong. You clearly have a different perspective, which I assume is because your experiences are different from those of HN's mostly Western readers. That means you have value to add here, as anyone with a diverse experience does. But it also puts you in a tough position, because even a slight provocation is going to trigger an avalanche of frustration from others, leading to a destructive flamewar. People find it exceedingly difficult to receive information that falls, let's say, more than one standard deviation from their perspective. Outlying information creates discomfort which is difficult to contain. It doesn't matter that it's true; if anything, that makes it harder to contain. Uncontained discomfort boils over into counter-provocation and accusations of bad faith. We all have this problem.

That puts you in a tough position on HN. Your options are: not to comment, to comment in frustration and provoke a flamewar, or to comment neutrally and resist the temptation to lash out at the majority. Only the latter is able to communicate the value of what you have to share, but it's not easy. It takes patience and inner calm.

Yes, this means there is a greater burden on one who holds a minority or contrarian view. This isn't fair. But it's the way that mass communication works. If the goal is to communicate—to learn, rather than do battle—then the one who knows more, who has a truth others don't have, has a greater responsibility. If you don't rise to that responsibility, you end up discrediting that truth in the eyes of the majority, which makes the situation worse, even though lashing out provides a little temporary relief. I've written about this principle over the years because most of us find it counterintuitive.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14460989

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10368209

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14634368

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