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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by swarnie_ »

Phlarp wrote: post #203
stale2002 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

>We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. No, that's Saudi Arabia, our partners in peace.

It's always confused me... Why do you supply weapons, money and military training to the country which 9/11'd you?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by darkpuma »

flyinglizard wrote: post #294
q31 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Iran is worse than the US when it comes to foreign involvement, world domination, destabilising regions, arming militias, assassinations on foreign soil, ballistic missile programmes, proxy wars, human rights violations such as torture, etc.?

US promotes values I am interested in, while Iran promotes what to me seems like a nightmare. Those who are interested in the Iranian end goal should be supporting Iran, but then I have to wonder why Western people would be promoting the Iranian stance. It does not seem self serving.

> "US promotes values I am interested in,"

What, like overthrowing democratically elected governments, as they did in Iran? I really hope neoconservativism dies with the boomers, but I fear you're young.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stunt »

stale2002 wrote: post #191
knowThySelfx wrote: post #184

I do not know how others feel. But I feel resentment towards embargoes (and calling their poodle countries to follow suite) placed on other countries just because they don't tow your line. Going to Iran's backyard and threatening them and then cry when they retaliate (a pretext to start war)...its so...pathetic. In fact most of the 20th century wars were started using this kind of baiting.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

> Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people

You know U.S. actually did fund militant groups directly a few times because we thought we can make it a better place. In fact that’s how big, powerful complicated militant groups started to rise in the Middle East and they are out of control now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone Not to mention, that is kind of still on going with all the support to Saudi Arabia.

When it comes to Iran, 1953, U.S. and UK did overthrow the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran only because his interests wasn’t aligned with ours! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Before that, During the WWII, British and Russians invaded Iran and did overthrow Iranian king because he was neutral and we needed their oil fields. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Ira...

And then revolution happened in Iran and this time people did overthrow the last King who was introducing many social, economic, and political reforms in Iran but we hated him because he was moving too fast for our interests. (Skipping some conspiracy theories about how CIA did trigger the revolution by turning people against the king) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=imil1iIpIYA

And then Iraq/Saddam Hossein(Yes! Same guy that U.S. killed after the U.S. invasion of Iraq) was supported directly, intelligence and military, by the U.S. to invade Iran as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran. Which took them 8 years and it was one of the deadliest conventional war ever fought in modern history, and both countries never recovered from it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

And that’s my friend every single man/government they had in power since 1940. So no wonder why it’s so fucked up in Middle East now. Every single time we thought we can make it a better place, But there are consequences to foreign interventions that we can’t control. One of the the richest regions in the world in terms of natural resources and history consequently is in complete misery as a result.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by slim »

ThrowAwayRedRed wrote: post #287

I'm a developer in Iran too. Just wanted to say this guy works in Douran (شرکت دوران) company, proudly stated in his page (Which screams amateur and narcissist), they are providing the government with many censorship and surveillance software and services. They are notorious and hated, like death squad level in the free minded, geek community in the country. I can't believe his post got this much attention and sympat…

I can't believe your ad hominem got so many upvotes. I live in Tunisia, and till before 2011 revolution, we were classified as "Enemies of the Internet" by reporters without borders. We were worse than Iran. I can tell you something : the role played by the geeks working for the state security was crucial in changing things over here. Considering them enemies got us nowhere, because they were silently on our side. By doing what you did, you fucked up everything and blame it on others.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stale2002 »

Assadi wrote: post #246
stale2002 wrote: post #243

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"But another brutal theocracy is able to get away with stuff that is just as bad!" isn't a particularly convincing argument for why we should allow a different brutal theocracy to also get away with bad stuff. Feel free to argue that other bad governments that do bad things, should also be sanctioned or stopped in some way. That does not change the true fact Iran does indeed fund militant groups, and that this is a g…

I am not saying that either Iran or Saudi Arabia should be able to X, Y or Z. I'm not going for a "the Saudis do it so Iran should too" argument. Rather, I am simply saying that the sanctions themselves are just an imperialist American power move. Again, it's not actually about whether Iran is good or bad. If it was simply about good VS evil, nobody would be standing idly as the Saudis yeet missiles into Yemeni civil…

> I am simply saying that the sanctions themselves are just an imperialist American power move.

Ok, and my original point is that it is ridiculous to have sympathy for Iran, given their actions.

You can feel free to think that America is doing this for multiple reasons. But that does not change the fact that Iran is indeed funding militant groups. Therefore, nobody should start crying about them being sanctioned, and trying to make people feel bad about a country that is funding a lot of militant groups, being sanctioned.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by mijamo »

flyinglizard wrote: post #294
q31 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Iran is worse than the US when it comes to foreign involvement, world domination, destabilising regions, arming militias, assassinations on foreign soil, ballistic missile programmes, proxy wars, human rights violations such as torture, etc.?

US promotes values I am interested in, while Iran promotes what to me seems like a nightmare. Those who are interested in the Iranian end goal should be supporting Iran, but then I have to wonder why Western people would be promoting the Iranian stance. It does not seem self serving.

US does not promote values, it promotes its influence. USA went against many progressive leaders in latin America because they were about to damage the US influence and economic interest. USA is completely fine with Saudi Arabia and its values, while not fine at all with Allende (or even De Gaulle in France).

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by codebolt »

flyinglizard wrote: post #294
q31 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Iran is worse than the US when it comes to foreign involvement, world domination, destabilising regions, arming militias, assassinations on foreign soil, ballistic missile programmes, proxy wars, human rights violations such as torture, etc.?

US promotes values I am interested in, while Iran promotes what to me seems like a nightmare. Those who are interested in the Iranian end goal should be supporting Iran, but then I have to wonder why Western people would be promoting the Iranian stance. It does not seem self serving.

Quick question: Is there any action taken by the Israeli government or military in the past 20 years that you feel is worthy of criticism?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdfasfklshg4 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #296
jakobegger wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you are not sanctioning only the military and the government, you are sanctioning everyone in the country. You are sanctioning young people, who just want to live their lives, just like we do. They already suffer from the oppressive regime, and you just want to make their live even harder. All the Iranians I've met seem like completely normal people. I've never been to Iran, but from what I hear the young peo…

At what point should we start to hold ordinary civilians responsible to the actions of their governments?

For autocratic countries this is not even a viable question to start considering.

For democracies there might be some consideration. But then you need to know how the individual people voted.

EDIT: Also you need to consider whether the politicians actually had the acts on their manifestos.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by darkpuma »

ThrowAwayRedRed wrote: post #287

I'm a developer in Iran too. Just wanted to say this guy works in Douran (شرکت دوران) company, proudly stated in his page (Which screams amateur and narcissist), they are providing the government with many censorship and surveillance software and services. They are notorious and hated, like death squad level in the free minded, geek community in the country. I can't believe his post got this much attention and sympat…

> "this guy works in Douran (شرکت دوران) company, proudly stated in his page (Which screams amateur and narcissist)"

You really decimate your credibility when you say absurd things like this. If you're willing to misconstrue something as simple as stating your employer on the internet as such a serious character flaw, how can we trust the rest of your judgement to be reasonable?

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