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The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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My company spent months building an internal, online reward site.

You got points for going to unpaid classes in addition to your normal work hours.

It had no backend validation and within 30 minutes I’d awarded myself some company sweatpants.

I got an email a day later asking what size I wanted, and out of fear, I replied that I didn’t want them anymore and I never took another reward.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

#322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the what happens when you hire engineers with zero emotional intelligence and/or communication skills just because they can pass a Leetcode interview and then promote them to a leadership position later down the line. I've seen this happen way too many times.

he was talking about an aspiring manager and here you assume he passed a leetcode interview. ive never known an autism spectrum leetcoder type to tell someone to smile more.

He was a tech lead and got promoted to manager after the release of that new system, the core of which was written by the mistreated developer. I think it had to do with dark personality traits instead of autism/Asperger.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

#323

We need to find a name for a gesture so small in its generosity that it ends up being offensive. No bonus would have left me disappointed, but a $50 bonus would have made me angry. Like when Delta gave a food voucher to make up for a 5-hour delay on a 30-minute file. The voucher was for $3. Fuck Delta.

Sounds like the one penny tip people like to leave to make a point.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

#324

Not a counter point to this article, but a counter point to the efficacy of monetary rewards. > "Study showed that monetary incentives are great for routine, mechanical work. But how does it play when talking about cognitive, advanced tasks? Not well at all." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag Counter-counter point: If anyone ever points you to this for evidence _you_ shouldn't get a bonus/monetary reward sy…

I can't watch the video, so maybe it was covered, but it can also have the opposite effect. Applying a reward or a fine pegs a "price" to the action and can produce something opposite to the desired outcome.

The common example is if a daycare has parents frequently turning up late for pick up, so they have to stay open late. So they decided to apply a surcharge for latecomers in a study. The problem got worse, since the the value of the fine was less impactful than the guilt felt by most parents. It was now seen as more acceptable to be late.

Example write-up: http://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what...

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

#325

My employer, a US DoD component, had a program called “On The Spot” awards. The idea was that if you had done something outstanding, your first line supervisor could authorize an immediate bonus of up to $1000. Being the DoD, it couldn’t be that simple. They decided that actually the bonuses had to be approved by your second, third, and fourth line supervisors. And also by the program manager at the sponsoring agency…

> Theoretically, the challenge coin would be worth a lifetime of free drinks in bars frequented by military members. Or so I’m told. I don’t drink. This may be frowned upon in the military, but you could rent the coin out to people?

The free drinks are because the coin impresses people enough that they volunteer to buy you drinks, it's not an official voucher.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it really his responsibility to give your team a lavish thanks? Sounds like he had a windfall, but working on commission can very easily go the opposite direction. Was the wild success of the initiative due to your team’s outstanding technical genius?

"Sounds like he had a windfall, but working on commission can very easily go the opposite direction" Well, I'm a bit skeptical. Someone who makes $500K unexpectedly isn't going to lose $500K unexpectedly.

One year you sell $500k worth of software to customers, the next customers sell $500k worth of software to you. Easy come, easy go, it's a zero-sum game.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, I still can't relate. It sounds like a very sweet gesture. If you told me you'd miss me and hugged me, I'd buy you a beer.

I grok. Our business relationship was very good (thus my outburst) but our somewhat distancing (and very "proper" and "professional" Midwestern based) personalities in the 90s led to it being slightly embarrassing for us, then. We obviously got past it, but it makes for an amusing story as she's never seen me that inebriated since, and actually didn't know I could get that buzzed as well as be demonstrative.

Ah, I see, thanks. I'm glad everything is good now!

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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post #220

I worked on a team of three people in the early 2000s to develop one of the first web based automotive insurance underwriting applications for an insurance broker. It was a low volume program and as such they hired a single marketing representative to cover the entire state of Pennsylvania. He worked on commission and was expected to make in the high five figures. It ended up being wildly more successful than anticip…

Was it really his responsibility to give your team a lavish thanks? Sounds like he had a windfall, but working on commission can very easily go the opposite direction. Was the wild success of the initiative due to your team’s outstanding technical genius?

Probably not, but this is more patronizing than thankful. I'd rather get nothing than $3 of snack cakes

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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Could have been worse. There was a time when corporations would literally pay to produce entire broadway productions about their companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_musical

These still exist in the form of corporate newsletters filled with high-production videos of very serious people saying very serious things. It's still considered a musical, it's just you hafta have the right Dadaist frame of mind to get it.

Re: The worst morale-boosting gesture I've experienced

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Not a counter point to this article, but a counter point to the efficacy of monetary rewards. > "Study showed that monetary incentives are great for routine, mechanical work. But how does it play when talking about cognitive, advanced tasks? Not well at all." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKKPQiRRag Counter-counter point: If anyone ever points you to this for evidence _you_ shouldn't get a bonus/monetary reward sy…

This is a different topic than the article and the discussion so far. A yearly bonus or a "thank you"/party/etc aren't rewards tied to specific tasks. They're meant to be gestures of appropriation. You're discussing a bonus structure that ties financial incentives to very specific work items, and rewards them accordingly. I'm not disagreeing with your point, just pointing out they're two different topics.

Appropriation or appreciation? If it's appropriation I'm intrigued!

Like what if someone shows up to an event you planned, and starts thanking people for coming. They're basically implying/claiming ownership of the event. Appropriation through appreciation.

In other words what if you thought a project was yours, and then someone appropriates it by thanking your team, implying it was for that person all along?

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