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Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by jusssi »

alias_neo wrote: post #129

It's not new, and but limited to Chromecast Ultra, I detected this from several Android devices (phones) pre-Pie and configured my firewall to redirect those requests to my own DNS. Regardless of their reason, many of us don't want to use Google DNS and the just using their control over these devices to force people to 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4. I haven't checked how Pie behaves yet but it provides an option in the UI to speci…

I wonder if 8.8.8.8 still has a per-IP rate limit, and what the consequences for people behind a CGNAT would be.

Still 2 years ago that rate limit was pretty easy to hit by accident with a Selenium browser farm accessing through single public IP.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by arrty88 »

pault wrote: post #312
JohnFen wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not unreasonable to use fallback DNS servers when the DHCP provided servers don't work. I don't know about "reasonable" or "unreasonable". I do know that there's no way I'd allow this in my network. My DHCP servers point to my own DNS server for a good reason, and I am completely invested in ensuring that nobody bypasses it to the best of my ability.

Can you route 8.8.8.8 to your DNS server?

Came here to ask this

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

mthoms wrote: post #249
hannob wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they would fallback to the ISP's DNS server they'd encourage the ISP to block access to their DNS, which arguably would be even worse.

Honest question: is that even legal?

In the US? Oh man, it's even worse than that. ISPs can probably legally choose to block whatever, including editorially blocking content they find offensive. Your ISP could legally choose to just start blocking port 443 because they want to make sure you're not looking at anything inappropriate. Comcast will straight up mutate HTML content sometimes to insert their own JavaScript: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15890551

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by mthoms »

growse wrote: post #259
mthoms wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, I'll be sure to tell my mother-in-law that if she's concerned about her privacy, she just needs to use NAT "bro".

Tell her that if she's worried about Google spying on her, it's probably best not buy a Google-made device with Google-owned software on it transmitting usage data back to Google.

This may be fair for "free" service like search. It gets way more complicated when the consumer is (a) paying for the device, (b) paying for the content they consume and (c) paying for the bandwidth it uses.

All I have to do now is explain to my mother-in-law that she hasn't paid "enough". I'm sure she'll totally understand.

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Post by josteink »

JohnFen wrote: post #278
josteink wrote: post #7

Expect more of this once “DNS over HTTPS” takes hold. Nothing Google makes will ever respect your DHCP-server or local network settings ever again.

> Expect more of this once “DNS over HTTPS” takes hold. I do. DNS-over-HTTPS is why I've modified my network so I can MITM all HTTPS connections.

Sounds interesting. Do you have a write up about creating such a setup?

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by rsync »

reaperducer wrote: post #188
calibas wrote: post #170

This should bother people here more than it does. The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google. They've made it quite clear through their actions that they're not supporters of a free and open Internet: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/14/google-china-prototype-l... If people don't push back against these kinds of things, Google will continue to abuse their power. There shouldn't be an army o…

The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. People talk about China and Russia's actions balkanizing the internet. But I have a sense that Google could do it, as well, and bring us back to the days when people didn't know the difference between the real internet and A…

"Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet."

Wonder no more as that is the end goal.

Nothing less than becoming the new Ma Bell can be considered success.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by arrty88 »

eertami wrote: post #164
unethical_ban wrote: post #139

Jared Mauch's response was pretty rude. I don't mind defaults, but I do not like the inability to change. I wonder if it was clearly documented as a device requirement that 8.8.8.8 was needed. All prerequisites of function should be in the Quick Start Guide of the tool in question. Furthermore, users aren't always in control of the firewall/ACL on their network. If I go to Jack's Organic Coffee for a meeting and they…

Maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees but... what possible reason would you have for taking a Chromecast to a coffee shop?

I’ve thrown parties at many public venues, schools, bars, restaurants and want to put up a slide show. Etc. so many use cases.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by matwood »

nirvdrum wrote: post #215
pexaizix wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't bother me because it's a Chromecast, an appliance I don't want or need. If I needed something similar, I could get it from other manufacturers.

FWIW, Chrome does this as well. Its DNS prefetch feature will ignore your local hosts file and configured DNS servers. It creates annoying problems if you have a VPN where some hosts resolve differently than they do publicly. Granted, in this case if you block Google's DNS servers from routing, Chrome will use your system's name resolution configuration.

This is extremely annoying. The VPN will switch DNS servers and macOS and Safari work fine, but Chrome will not find internal servers. I assumed it was just a cache, but this makes sense.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by bashinator »

sowbug wrote: post #288
Topgamer7 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the difference is that the chromecast would not function without 8.8.8.8. Thus requiring you use googles services to use a google product. That is not cool.

Isn't using a company's product exactly when you'd expect a dependency on that company's service?

This is an artificial dependency. There is no good reason why this device should require a specific nameserver. Here are some reasons I can think of that this would be required:

* Getting device metrics for Google's internal use

* DNS lookups that are only available from querying google directly - in other words, recursion is disabled for some records needed by the device

The first case should be entirely optional, the second case is deliberate subversion of internet standards.

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Post by DCoder »

JohnFen wrote: post #269
reaperducer wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. People talk about China and Russia's actions balkanizing the internet. But I have a sense that Google could do it, as well, and bring us back to the days when people didn't know the difference between the real internet and A…

> I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. Would that mean that my internet would no longer have Googly stuff on it? I could get behind that.

It could also mean your internet not having some other sites which chose to side with Google.
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