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Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by supercanuck »

tootie wrote: post #230
intopieces wrote: post #114

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>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

It was an attempt at trolling by someone who should not have been trolling.

exactly. and to some of the most toxic users of Reddit who were itching for a fight.

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Post by AgentME »

YUMad wrote: post #264
jumbopapa wrote: post #9

Reddit has long been plagued with censorship. The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The Reddit situation reminds me of the post about failing to build a billion dollar company a few days ago. Reddit is trying to make VCs happy and continue to grow the business, but a platform like Reddit is best as a less reliant on growth, but s…

They changed the rules by vall8ng it harassment, so if you do the same now (write "fuck /u/modname") you get muted and then banned on reoffending.

I'd expect to get banned on any site if I went around saying "fuck ". Especially if I was doing it in solidarity with people making baseless pedophilia accusations. Even on 4chan, assuming they noticed me. Doesn't really feel like a cause for alarm.

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Post by gdhbcc »

zeroDivisible wrote: post #299
IvyMike wrote: post #246

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> I feel like this is possible on every website ever made. Idea: Reddit, but the comments are a blockchain.

What if someone drops a comment with a link to child porn? Don't get me wrong, as much as I support the idea of no censorship, there's always a need for a janitor to clean somebody's graffiti on the wall. In an online world, those janitors tend to abuse their power though.

Bits are bits are bits

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by yourbandsucks »

learc83 wrote: post #305
yourbandsucks wrote: post #298

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I'm trying to get something out of this comment beyond "any international business by Chinese companies is nefarious by definition", and I have to admit that I can't. I guess if they know their role and stick to manufacturing it's ok? As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China.

What you should get out of it is that Chinese companies are effectively a proxy for the government. And the Chinese government operates the largest and most effective censorship program in the history of humanity. So maybe we don't want to sell them a stake in media and entertainment companies. >As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China…

So you can't think of any reason that the Chinese would be upset about specifically English speaking people implying Hong Kong isn't part of China?

I mean, I get that you don't like them, but at a certain point it becomes willful ignorance.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

pfisch wrote: post #313
yourbandsucks wrote: post #274

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Genocide requires intent. Kind of disrespectful to the dead to use them as pawns for an argument IMO.

There are a lot of instances of the Chinese government intentionally directing food away from famine stricken areas. There was clear intent to starve out populations and political opponents.

Citation needed. Explain to me how the four pests campaign was a deliberate plot.

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Post by learc83 »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #325
learc83 wrote: post #305

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What you should get out of it is that Chinese companies are effectively a proxy for the government. And the Chinese government operates the largest and most effective censorship program in the history of humanity. So maybe we don't want to sell them a stake in media and entertainment companies. >As far as Hong Kong.. they've got a pretty fair reason to be oversensitive about westerners implying it's not part of China…

So you can't think of any reason that the Chinese would be upset about specifically English speaking people implying Hong Kong isn't part of China? I mean, I get that you don't like them, but at a certain point it becomes willful ignorance.

I know why China is upset about it. They know that a large percentage of the population of Hong Kong doesn't want to be part of China.

And they have done everything in their power to make sure that the Hong Kong independence movement doesn't gain a foothold. From punishing protestors to eroding local autonomy, to encouraging mainland immigration, to manipulating global speech.

This isn't about some disadvantaged country being sensitive because they were taking advantage of by colonial powers a century ago.

This is about a modern colonial power asserting dominance over an oppressed people.

>I mean, I get that you don't like them

Yeah I don't "like" a government that puts millions of people in reeducation camps because of their religion. A government who most likely executes political prisoners to harvest their organs.

I don't like a government that insists that the populations of Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong have no right to self-determination.

If you don't dislike such a government, I'd suggest that you are the one being willfully ignorant.

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Post by Anechoic »

cotelletta wrote: post #309
Anechoic wrote: post #207

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criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently Sincere question: Was it actually criticism of Serena Williams ("she exhibited poor behavior", "she's lost a step", "her fashion sense sucks", etc) or was it abuse ("she's a man", "she's an ugly pig", etc)? Banning because of the former is unacceptable, but I see no reason why we would expect her husband to permit the latter on his platform.

Talking shit about people behind their back is not abuse. At most it can be libel/slander, of which none of your examples qualify. She's also not a particularly worthy example, given her meltdown at that tennis tournament, for which tons of people tried to made ideological excuses (herself included) and which involved her actually being abusive to the ref's face. What it is is rich and powerful people using their inf…

Interesting comments, but I'm not sure what it has to do with my post.

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Post by rjf72 »

pfisch wrote: post #315
chillacy wrote: post #256

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I think these are separate issues (but totally valid), the great leap forward wasn't made to persecute minorities insofar as... well the result of a state planned economy. The parent is pointing out that the great leap forward wouldn't happen again because of a switch to capitalism. You're saying the persecution of minorities hasn't changed, which is a different topic. Capitalist economies can still persecute minorit…

You are too generous concerning the Great Leap Forward. It really wasn’t some unfortunate accident. There was clear intent to eliminate large swaths of the population of China.

What would you propose would be the motivation there?

I think there's every indication that the Great Leap Forward was intended to turn China into a socialist society which would eventually become a communist one (in accordance with Marx with home the Chinese Communist Party were heavily influenced by) where ultimately not only would no man would ever go without again, but also greatly increasing the overall production of China. Mao certainly realized there would be casualties in the process of transformation, but I see no reason to believe those were the goal. There's far easier and less disruptive ways to kill massive numbers of people than to try to transform a nation to socialism.

These systems are invariably well intended but fail to appropriately consider how big a factor the destruction of motivation is. 'Produce a bunch and you can get filthy rich.' tends to be a much better motivation than 'Produce a bunch and give it away to the state, or else the state will hurt you.'

As an interesting aside the current PM of China, Xi Jinping, has very intimate ties to all of this. His father was a very high ranking party member in Mao's China. But as is also often the case in these systems, favor is rapidly won or lost. His father was disgraced and imprisoned. Xi himself was arrested as a youth for deserting his state-designed job / role in life and sent to dig ditches at a camp where was housed in a cave with a single blanket as his bed -- living that way for some seven years until he was able to join the communist party (after intially being rejected some 8 times) which set him on the path to today.

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Post by r721 »

maayank wrote: post #58
qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #45

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I liked digg. A lot. Then v2.0 came, and I left to Reddit. A few months ago, I had a script write over all my comments, and deleted the account. Reddit is the new digg v3.0.

What’s the current alternative?

notabug.io
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