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Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Post by freeflight » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 5:59 AM UTC

zimpenfish wrote: post #317

manmal wrote: post #312

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> How would you know any of that without actually knowing him IRL for the contrast? I follow him around a lot, and as you said, you cannot hide personality traits forever. E.g. he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often during Meme Review or his other weekly formats to cater to his Reddit audience. I honestly believe he speaks for his real self in his social commentary videos.

> he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often "He's not racist, he just says racist stuff often" "He's not a serial killer, he just murders people often" It's not a great excuse, really.

"They are not authoritarian, they just censor your language."

But I guess intent doesn't matter, it's all about the optics, right?

It's kinda amazing how ESRB 18+ games can have players commit the cruelest and bloodiest violence, but as soon as somebody says a slur, that's suddenly "crossing a line".

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Post by zimpenfish » Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 3:59 PM UTC

freeflight wrote: post #321

zimpenfish wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often "He's not racist, he just says racist stuff often" "He's not a serial killer, he just murders people often" It's not a great excuse, really.

"They are not authoritarian, they just censor your language." But I guess intent doesn't matter, it's all about the optics, right? It's kinda amazing how ESRB 18+ games can have players commit the cruelest and bloodiest violence, but as soon as somebody says a slur, that's suddenly "crossing a line".

> players commit the cruelest and bloodiest violence,

Generally against fictional entities inside a computer.

> but as soon as somebody says a slur

Generally to or about a real person. That's why there's a difference.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Post by manmal » Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 7:07 PM UTC

matteuan wrote: post #315

manmal wrote: post #313

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Have you ever watched Meme Review or You Laugh You Lose? Nobody is like that IRL, these videos are made on lots of energy drink. He has a lot of honest videos too, but those are not where most of his revenue comes from. He also admitted that he used "forced positivity" for a long time to gain subscribers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGI1uHyyws

Maybe I'm biased because I'm a fan. But there is a large difference between forced positivity and "misogynistic tendencies, playing with racial slurs". I'm not saying he's not partly performing, but he's not the misogynistic/racist character you were suggesting.

Oh yes he is. How do you explain the „respecting wamen“ thing? „Death to all Jews“ - yeah it was just a joke, right? „F‘n N-Word“ in a live stream. The incidents add up. He’s probably not serious, but he does play around, I don’t know how you can deny that if you have seen a lot of his videos.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Post by manmal » Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

freeflight wrote: post #316

manmal wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How would you know any of that without actually knowing him IRL for the contrast? I follow him around a lot, and as you said, you cannot hide personality traits forever. E.g. he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often during Meme Review or his other weekly formats to cater to his Reddit audience. I honestly believe he speaks for his real self in his social commentary videos.

I've had a few phases were I binged a couple of his videos over the years, as such it feels like I've actually seen him kinda grow up. I don't think it's really a "card" he consciously plays, it's much more a reflection of the culture he lives in and caters to, as a gamer. Not all use of misogynistic language has misogynistic intent, particularly not when it's been an established part of the sub-culture. And in that…

With the audience that he has, he HAS to hold himself to higher standards. I get that he would burn out if he didn’t do what he liked, but he could at least let Brad edit it all out.

Re: YouTube top earners: A seven-year-old making $22M

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Post by manmal » Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 7:12 PM UTC

zimpenfish wrote: post #317

manmal wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How would you know any of that without actually knowing him IRL for the contrast? I follow him around a lot, and as you said, you cannot hide personality traits forever. E.g. he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often during Meme Review or his other weekly formats to cater to his Reddit audience. I honestly believe he speaks for his real self in his social commentary videos.

> he definitely is not misogynstic, but he plays that card often "He's not racist, he just says racist stuff often" "He's not a serial killer, he just murders people often" It's not a great excuse, really.

I agree, he should think a bit more before he says things, or just let his editors cut the problematic stuff out.