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My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Wow, I'm actually shocked on seeing the low salaries on here. Having been on the hiring side for small projects (using mostly Upwork), I have had a really hard time finding quality for Maybe I'd have better luck hiring someone full time for $50k, and just fill the pipeline? Would love any thoughts on best moves here.

Here's a thought. I'm interested in picking up some contracting work again and my recurring work rate is $50/hr. I'm a senior developer who currently does Sysadmin, dbadmin, and leads development and architecture of our start up's software.

Oh I just realized ycomb doesn't have plans capability. Could you PM me on Reddit where my username is homebrewingcoder .

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

I have worked in Australia, Singapore and Germany. When mentioning salary, we usually qualify it with either "Gross" or "Net", which corresponds to 1) and 2) respectively on your list.

If I am not mistaken it's in reverse.

1) What you get in the bank -> Net salary

2) What you get in the bank + what you pay in taxes -> Gross salary

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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These threads always invite the outliers (i.e. those who want to humble brag). Here's mine outside Washington/California/Silicon Valley/NYC: - $40K: 2010-2013, "DevOps" at small startup. No ownership/shares. - $45-72K: 2014-Current, Programmer (various job titles) working for state's education department Even management here only make $90K capping out around $115K~. But cost of living is low. These threads never have…

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I'm currently based in Toronto

    2012 - small business owner                             - 60k AED / yr (no taxes) - built Wordpress websites in my spare time
    2013 - technical cloud marketing intern                 - 60k / yr CAD            - FAANGish company
    2013 - contractor                                       - 30k / yr CAD            - Engineering consultancy
    2014 - Software Dev Fullstack                           - 22k / yr CAD            - early stage startup
    2015 - Lead Software Dev Fullstack / Architect + DevOps - 55k / yr CAD            - very early stage startup
    2015 - Lead Software Dev Fullstack / Architect + DevOps - 60k / yr CAD            - very early stage startup
    2016 - Software Dev                                     - 60k / yr CAD            - medium stage startup
    2016 - Techincal Consultant                             - 90k / yr CAD            - small public company
    2017 - Software Engineer + DevOps                       - 99k / yr CAD            - medium public company
    2018 - Senior Software Engineer + DevOps + SRE          - 120k / yr CAD           - medium public company

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Germany.

At the end we compare numbers as life itself can´t be compared. Living in a certain town and certain country. Costs of living vary from country to region. I choose to freelance as it means more income and less social security. I´m not having paid vacations plus the bonuses of an employee.

I never worked more than 40 hours/week though. Not as a freelancer, not as an employee. This is not game development. Nonetheless I worked for a agency recently where the employees got jobs like: here are 30 layouts for a Magento shop (by a designer who neither knows responsive design nor shop systems) and the template needs to be done by the end of the week. I´m not making this up. Companies like this are not running sustainable and you IMHO you should get out there as quickly as possible.

I started developing ecommerce sites back in 2008. Worked for a specialised web agency (size: around 20 people) back then and got around 1600 Euros/month net, after taxes. I don´t remember the precise numbers any more.

I started freelancing in 2011 and got a higher income (not in the first year though). I served mainly small businesses. I still have the numbers. They are net, post taxes and health insurance already paid.

2011 15045 Euros  2012 34826 Euros 2013 28320 Euros 2014 46582 Euros

Decided to travel afterwards and give a regular job a try when I came back. Got a position as PHP / Web developer at a small agency (size: 10-15 people). Now relocated to the south of Germany. That would have been

2016 48000 Euros pre-tax or 25560 Euros net

Probably a small bonus added at the end of the year as well. I never found. I quit after a few months as I figured out that being employed is not my cup of tea. I earned about 30.800 Euros pre-tax. You can get some of your taxes back if you don´t work a full year as an employee.

Fast forward: back to freelancing again. Earning between 65 and 80 Euros per hour now, pre taxes Can´t say how much I will earn this year cause I didn´t work last year at all and only a few months this year. Which is sufficient to pay rent (and have enough time to witness the first months on earth of my son).

Developing applications with PHP and JavaScript frameworks. No more small customers, working on full-time project for a couple of months.

There have been studies posted at German portal heise.de in the last months claiming software freelancers in Germany make an average of 91 Euros/hour. I somehow doubt that. Or: depends who you ask and how big your sample is.

Not me and I´m fine with what I make. Demand for freelance developers is high right now, I get lots of requests. How about you guys? :)

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

2018 - Salary for me an expat in Germany at a fintech startup: 53k Euros a year. No signing bonus. No options. Experience: 5 years as a DBA the rest a sad self taught programmer with 6 months of prior startup experience shipping microservices in C# and Python. Startup in logistics 2018 6 months: 48k euros. Previous: DBA in Portland Oregon in 2013 to 2017 - 60k to 70k then as an EDW dev 78k USD.

Jesus that's horrible. I made much more than that straight out of college. But it was in NYC where cost of living is high and taxes destroy you.

The saddest part is that your salary didn't increase much in 5 years? Going from $60k to $70k to 53k euros over 5 years is pretty much tracking inflation. Over 5 years, my salary increased by more than double your entire salary.

You should ask for a raise from time to time or get a better paying job. Especially since DBA/data scientist along with computer security developer/engineer were some of the hottest fields in tech the past 10 years.

Some people can spend a month reading "SQL in 21 days" and get a higher salary than you in many places.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it's more important to change titles than company according to your history. To be honest I'm a bit offended you consider yourself senior with 2 years of experience.

Perhaps the guy is really good/ambitious? I've had to deal with the stigma of being "above average", and it bothers me when I hear stuff like this. This sort of thinking stops people who have the drive to do something, and it makes them delay their enthusiasm until others feel they deserve a chance. That's just terrible in my opinion. And it's probably part of the reason why so many young people start a startup or go…

Even if it is a good developer, I don't believe the qualities of senior developer are being acquired so quickly. Do you really need people lying to you that you are senior to make you feel motivated? Ok I can do that, but I think it's unhealthy for you and for the industry.

What do you want to convey when you write >SeniorMost of the people say they were promoted so their business can sell them as senior. That's BS. I would not like to work with those businesses. Keep calling yourselves seniors.

ps. I dealt with the same stigma, and I would feel ashamed when I joined a team where all the devs were 35+ with 10+ YOE and I would call myself the same title as they did. (I was 21 in this example, with 5 years of professional experience). Am I too humble?

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

People in the US almost always quote salary in terms of gross amounts - so if someone makes $200k, that's before tax. But it's not including the employer taxes. I.e. their paycheck will show $16,666 per month at the top line, a bunch of state, federal, maybe local taxes, disability and social security (also basically taxes), etc. and then roughly $10,500 at the bottom line depending on your situation.\ Edit: sometime…

I think most countries does this. Of course that doesn't make the amount comparable between countries. It is mainly for practical reasons since that is the salary you negotiate for i.e. the amount they pay you (though in many countries the employer would deduct income taxes). In general I think a decent starting point, for higher salaries, tends to be what one can save. Because then people will often instinctively start asking for the bigger picture.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #315

I'm an extreme outlier. No degree. Started coding as a child. Dropped out of college. United States (not in SV). 2000-2002 - 25k hardware technician / repair 2003-2005 - 45k web developer 2006 70k - biometrics/vision developer 2007 - 100k - 'Enterprise' developer 2008 - 105k 2010 - 120k 2011 - 190k - F500 developer (base+bonus) 2012 - 200k 2013 - 215k 2014 - 220k 2015 - 225k 2016 - 160k - restart in another field (pa…

> 2018 - 280k

Well done. When I hear "enterprise", I'm assuming C#/Java?

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