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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by hellofunk »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #314
brian-armstrong wrote: post #34

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Strange. I almost exclusively use OSX (El Cap) and haven't had performance issues asides from needing to restart the browser once a month or so. Hopefully they get those problems resolved soon, the browser is super quick when it's working right.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522 It's pretty bad. Firefox cuts my battery life in half doing nothing.

Also, on my 2-year old MacBook Pro, the thing heats up pretty bad and the fans go on quite loud. It's terrible. I've actually never run any application on my laptop that performs as bad as Firefox, and that's saying something.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by Imburr »

Anyone who thinks Google doesn't already have all of that mined data on you, wether you are signed into sync or not, is kidding themselves.Google search, Google plus, chrome, play, Android, analytics, wifi, isp services- that already know where you go on the internet. By not syncing your fooling yourself into believe that your internet usage is yours.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by ori_b »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #309
ori_b wrote: post #209

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If it's connected to the internet, then it can send info to home base. The only way around this is code that's simple enough to audit and understand. That ship sailed long ago for browsers -- if you care about auditability, you can't trust the web.

Exactly. I'll go further in saying a system or software should be considered insecure if it connects to Internet and wasn't designed/implemented with strong security. That's most stuff.

That's a red herring. We're not discussing a security bug -- the system is working as designed. The problem is that the goal is not desirable, and the standards and code are complex to the point that an independent implementation is intractable.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by andrewingram »

aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #304
coldtea wrote: post #296

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Well, most of the fighting against "invasive mass surveillance and questionable social engineering practices" has also been done by leftists, so there's that... Centrist average Joes usually don't care about such things, and right wingers applaud them to help the police and such. As for libertarians they are against them when it's by the government, but fine with them when a private company (even one the size of a sm…

True. There’s the hippie leftist archetype, and the commissar leftist archetype. It’s a spectrum , so they say!

To me spectrum implies a single dimension, i.e. the spectrum of light is just based on wavelength. But this metaphor doesn't really fit with politics, which at best can be reduced to two dimensions (in my opinion), and realistically is a lot more.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by eigenbom »

aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #293
amanzi wrote: post #237

Google today is like the Microsoft of 10-15 years ago. Grossly dominant, arrogant, user-hostile, and thinking they're above the law. Microsoft got knocked off their perch and are a much better company today than they were 15 years ago. Google's turn to fall is rapidly approaching.

Implying Microsoft wouldn’t turn back into the scumbag it used to be, had they regained their market dominance.

There's no implication there.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by staktrace »

lh7777 wrote: post #252
codethief wrote: post #188

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What exactly do you mean? (Honest question) Firefox works great on my tablet.

They've actually fixed a number of minor issues over the past year or so, but Firefox still doesn't support pinch zoom on Windows[1]. Being able to reorder tabs using the touchscreen would also be nice, but not as critical. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688990

Reordering tabs via touch should work, it was fixed in Firefox 59 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362065). And yes, pinch zoom is not supported (we do text/reflowing zoom, but not mobile-style pinch zoom). It's something that's being worked on but there's a lot of dependencies in order to get it done.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by craftyguy »

allenz wrote: post #315
craftyguy wrote: post #299

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> A mistaken include in a build file, most likely. Yea, "whoops we accidentally downloaded a surveillance device on your system!"... If that sort of negligence can happen, what else is the browser currently doing, or capable of doing in the future, "accidentally"?

It was an intentional download so that Chromium users could use "Ok Google".

Even worse, though the comments I was replying to seem to indicate that you are wrong?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by exodust »

Google already forces the "Account Chooser" for web sign out on everyone with no option to disable. This is all related.

There was previously a link to an opt-out switch that set a cookie to disable account chooser, but Google have now removed that. They don't like to give people choice, not even advanced users.

Account chooser basically re-invents the concept of signing out. Google keeps your name and email displayed on the page after sign out. It takes multiple annoying clicks to "remove account" from the account chooser.

Their suggestion to use private browsing mode to sign in, is not always convenient. Often you just want to sign out properly with one click, as per the way the rest of the world does it, and have no record of your credentials lurking around. Google says no to that, and forces their account chooser on everyone for their own agenda, and nothing to do with user preference.

Sometimes I think the law should step in, as it does with privacy. "Sign out" should mean exactly that, nothing less.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by justinph »

Chazprime wrote: post #142
orbifold wrote: post #27

At least on iOS and macOS I see no reason not to use Safari, Edge on Windows is pretty good too. Power users will stop recommending Chrome to the average user after these changes and over time market share will hopefully decline.

It’s tough to use Safari if you’re a web developer; Chrome tends to be better at rendering pages and in overall performance, as well as adopting features quicker than Apple.

Web Developer here. I find Safari to be much faster than Chrome. I still use Chrome as my "work" browser due to the ecosystem of useful extensions (react, graphql, a11y, etc). But I close Chrome at 5pm, and when I need to do non-developer-y things, Safari is a much more pleasant experience (especially now that it has favicons).

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by allenz »

craftyguy wrote: post #327
allenz wrote: post #315

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It was an intentional download so that Chromium users could use "Ok Google".

Even worse, though the comments I was replying to seem to indicate that you are wrong?

craftyguy was just speculating.

"Chromium does download hotword-x86-64.nexe on startup, but it has been carefully designed as an opt-in feature"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9735795

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