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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by raverbashing »

TomMarius wrote: post #296
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR has nothing to do with the internet specifically.

I'm not sure what you mean. GDPR has everything to do with Internet, the Internet has been the whole reason it was created. Without the internet, the previous laws were OK. During the discussions (on state-level politics as well) only the internet was mentioned that frequently along with internet companies such as Facebook and Google, except for the note that it of course affects everything else. Even if GDPR was mer…

Parent is right, but you're right it was created because of it.

But it applies to processing of personal data, this is independent of if it happens over the internet or not.

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Post by yummybear »

vorpalhex wrote: post #149
yummybear wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't Silicon Valley be affected by this? Most companies have european customers.

"If you are in the EU, you are not allowed to use this website." Pretty much the same solution for kids under 13 years of age (which is to say, they of course still do use these sites, they simply lie about it which shifts the burden...)

Yeah, but wouldn't cutting 500 million of the wealthiest customers from your solution have a pretty significant business impact?

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Post by aldoushuxley001 »

sebst wrote: post #109
amelius wrote: post #60

I'm worried not so much about the outcome of this decision (which indeed is bad), but more about the whole decision-making process and how often we'll see such uninformed decisionmaking in the future.

I'd rather not call it "uninformed". We pay good amounts of money to parliamentarians, including their personal assistants. It's more like a "bug" in democracy as such. As long as a topic doesn't have widespread attention, it's the lobbyists who make the laws, not the citizens. I am pretty sure there are other bad laws in other very specific areas, we as techies don't have a clue about. As I've written in another com…

I believe the word you were looking for is: "Corruption".

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Post by [deleted] »

Shaddox wrote: post #82
ericdykstra wrote: post #6

UKIP and the Green Party joined forces to prevent Article 13 from getting rammed through without a public discussion. It was a good first step, but here we are, 2 months hence, and it was passed with virtually no amendments to the original text. This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) was at the hearings, and reported that MEPs voting on the…

I may be naive in saying this, but I believe the law is made with good intentions in mind. The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. > Much of YouTube content is (perfectly legal) remixes, responses, or criticisms of other YouTube content that embeds part of the referenced video in their own video. As weird as it sounds, you are wrong. In a s…

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Tor3 wrote: post #250
Illniyar wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though the word implies otherwise a monopoly is not defined by the lack of competitors. At least not in a legal sense anymore. It is defined by it's marketshare. And google search is by and large a monopoly in this regard having ~90% market share in virtually all segments of the market.

>[..] a monopoly is not defined by the lack of competitors.[..]It is defined by it's marketshare. No, I can't agree. I don't even consider Microsoft a monopoly, even though their product comes pre-installed on every PC you can buy in shops. If you can't get any alternative ISP (to e.g. AT&T) where you live, by any means, now that is a monopoly.

Surely you can just move house to get a different ISP and so in line with your other reasoning it can't be a monopoly?

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Post by PurpleBoxDragon »

Shaddox wrote: post #82
ericdykstra wrote: post #6

UKIP and the Green Party joined forces to prevent Article 13 from getting rammed through without a public discussion. It was a good first step, but here we are, 2 months hence, and it was passed with virtually no amendments to the original text. This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) was at the hearings, and reported that MEPs voting on the…

I may be naive in saying this, but I believe the law is made with good intentions in mind. The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. > Much of YouTube content is (perfectly legal) remixes, responses, or criticisms of other YouTube content that embeds part of the referenced video in their own video. As weird as it sounds, you are wrong. In a s…

>I may be naive in saying this, but I believe the law is made with good intentions in mind.

I disagree. This law was made with the intention of being selectively enforced. This is never a good intention.

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Post by bobcostas55 »

pornel wrote: post #71
mscasts wrote: post #9

This is so sad but kind of expected. EU is run by politicians and the public has very little to no insight. After this goes through I will become a single-issue voter, to leave the EU.

If you follow Julia Reda's blog (she's MEP), you can get tons of insight into this issue in the EU parliament: https://juliareda.eu/2018/09/copyright-showdown/

>Rightholders are liable for unjustified takedowns

That's potentially interesting, what does it mean in practice though? How would they be liable? If there was a monetary penalty attached, the record companies would be bankrupt in a day based on the false positives of the youtube content ID algorithm.

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Post by mbrumlow »

Both copyrights and patents are stupid in a digital age. If you don't want people to make copies of bits and bytes (large numbers) you found to be interesting or even arranged to be interesting don't upload them to the internet.

Once those bits and bytes find their way into the digital world you might as well kiss them goodbye. When you try to control them it is like going to a public street and yelling "I am going to go get a burger from Bob's Burger" and then getting upset when a bunch of people also go to the same place and make it all crowded for you.

Simply put, nobody should own any arrangement of numbers, sorry if that fucks your lucrative monopoly up.

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Post by briandear »

TomMarius wrote: post #296
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR has nothing to do with the internet specifically.

I'm not sure what you mean. GDPR has everything to do with Internet, the Internet has been the whole reason it was created. Without the internet, the previous laws were OK. During the discussions (on state-level politics as well) only the internet was mentioned that frequently along with internet companies such as Facebook and Google, except for the note that it of course affects everything else. Even if GDPR was mer…

Because the GDPR people, just like the musicians supporting this copryright law, are incapable of seeing unintended consequences. As long as they get their “thing,” they are happy. But GDPR and the copyright law are coming from the same “place.” They are obviously different, but they are variations on the anti-American tech superiority theme that seems to be playing out across Europe.

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Post by hmd_imputer »

fabricexpert wrote: post #137
scoom wrote: post #22

If GDPR didn't make you block the EU, this will.

GDPR is TOTALLY different. If you can't run a business under GDPR legislation then what you're doing is almost certainly unethical or at worst mismanaged and irresponsible with customer data. On the other hand this legislation will completely change the internet as we know it.

maybe - but the philosophy behind it is similar. The EU lawmakers just cannot stand to the existence of unregulated area. Everything gotta be under their control. Unfortunately, once you support pro-strict regulations, then there is no going back. One day, I believe, the internet as we know today won't exist in the EU.
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