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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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It actually just changed (less than 24 hours ago). The download now starts while showing a donation page in the background.

I downloaded Ubuntu about a week ago, the download started while showing a donation page. The change is older than 24 hours ago.

It's almost as if companies roll out features to a certain percentage of users to test them before rolling them out to everyone.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…

> Please save yourself a lot of heartache and just use containerd. Part of the appeal of Docker is the ease with which developers new to the concept of containers can pick it up. I cannot say the same for containerd. Try a search for containerd tutorials and compare what you find with docker tutorials. > People don't realize just how easy all this stuff will be to replace. Think carefully about why that is. If it wer…

Thanks for the shout out. Is there a good tutorial you could recommend for containerd?

I am looking for features similar to Norton Ghost bust faster than waiting for installers every time I build.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Then take a AWS free Virtual Machine and host it :). Just check the traffic regularly (because only 15GB outgoing traffic is free, incoming does not cost anything. You can set a alarm for 1 USD).

Or get the smallest instance from scaleway, which is so far the smallest one with a dedicated hardware core (not thread) on reasonably modern chips at 2 EUR ~ 2.5$/month, unmetered 100Mbit, 1GB ram and some 25GB fast ssd. If you know any cheaper ones, let me know. They even have 3$/month bare-metal ones with slightly higher specs, but using a Marvell ARM chip and only supporting exotic NBD storage. Heck, if you'd be…

As a data point, we've recently moved our (sqlitebrowser.org) downloads from GitHub to 2 of those 3.99EU/month ARM servers (ARM64-2GB).

People are downloading just over 30GB/day (each weekday) per server, and the servers only seem very lightly loaded.

If the source for whatever runs the needed forums can work on ARM64, then these cheapo servers seem pretty decent so far. :)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

Have you donated or signed up for those white papers so far? If so how many times/how much?

I sometimes do.

I also sometimes buy apps even if I'm not really sure I'll keep using them (sometimes just to encourage them to continue),

and keep subscribing to a newspaper even if I don't often read subscriber only content (since they sometimes have some great investigations && I want to support them but don't want to disable Adblock).

What I don't do:

- most monthly subscriptions that isn't payment for an actual service .

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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> Try a search for containerd tutorials and compare what you find with docker tutorials. containerd is just a building block. You'll actually be looking for a Kubernetes tutorial, which the internet is sprawling with.

although I've not seen much on K8s + containerd without Docker in terms of tutorials, it is a very new space, and (IIRC) cri-containerd is also pretty new. I'm not aware of many k8s distro's running anything other than Docker by default, at the moment

IBM Cloud has 1.11+containerd in production (https://twitter.com/estesp/status/1029739247606145025), GKS has containerd as an "alpha" option during k8s cluster creation; Azure has stated direction to move to containerd for AKS (and their OSS deploy tool already supports containerd on cluster creation)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

In Docker's defense they don't really barrage you with marketing. This isn't a situation where if you create an account you're going to get emailed every day about "5 tips on moving your Enterprise application to Docker!". I've had a Docker Hub account since Docker Hub was a thing and the only content I really ever get from Docker is a weekly newsletter (which you can opt out of) and notifications about the platform…

Yes, I am sure they suddenly added a login requirement to the download process because they plan to NOT use it for expanding their marketing pushes...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Wow, I'd never realized that. I wonder whether Google greenlighted significant investment into Kubernetes because they saw Docker Inc as a threat to Google Cloud and wanted to kill it early. It's not precisely the same playbook as Embrace, Extend, Extinguish and it's been played out significantly less evilly (is that a word?) and more openly, but, well, they embraced Docker, extended it with K8s and are now well on t…

Whilst I have no inside knowledge that's not the way I think this has developed. Docker got in as a container runtime, without any orchestration capabilities, then K8s came along to do orchestration but didn't provide it's own container runtime, so they used Docker. After that there was some tension as Docker wanted to move "up the stack" to provide features like orchestration (with Docker Swarm) but the k8s communit…

> Docker wanted to move "up the stack"

nobody who wants to make money likes being at the bottom of the stack (as it's where commoditization happens). Moving up means you have a bit more lock-in (via specific business requirements), and/or provide services that can be bought by stakeholders (vs a tech choice by the "lowly" engineers).

This is why i want my infrastructure to be owned by a non-profit. Just maintain the commodity infrastructure, no fancy, shmancy value-adds.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

Even MySQL community download has a small link at the bottom "No thanks, just start my download.", but no registration is possible despite two very huge buttons that just scream to sign up or sign in to an Oracle account.

The MySQL download page is how I ended up with 3 oracle accounts because I always forgot I had one. The small "no thanks just download" button is (was) very deceptive.
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