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Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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These employees are heroes. If you are reading this: Thank you for standing up for Human Rights.

Why is software that can be used by the military to more effectively label drone targets a violation of human rights? Bias: I am in the Air Force.

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Full article: http://archive.is/eOm2B Thanks for sharing, I've only ever heard the "PR" flavor of why they left. This makes more sense.

Stephen Levy covers it heavily in "In The Plex". If my memory serves, they censored Google.cn, but did not block users in China from the un-censored Google.com. The PRC alternated between blocking and unblocking .com. My understanding of the final straw was the hacking of gmail to steal the communications and network info of Chinese dissidents and activists. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China#Givin…

That was all part of the official story. It was "only" about 8 years ago so it is available online as well as on HN.

"A new approach to China"

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1048800

"A new approach to China: an update"

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1211090

"China condemns decision by Google to lift censorship"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8582233.stm

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There was another hn post a week or two ago, about how China is basically taking over the world, and could leave the USA in it's dust. Google, may be aware of this 'transition', which is a scary one, considering the 'big brother' scheme they have in China, but if China becomes the king of the world, Google and many other companies will have to play ball to stay viable. I'm reminded of a commercial where Americans are…

China surpassing the US as an economic powerhouse doesn't imply poverty or the inability to have viable companies there. What a silly dichotomy.

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The hypocrisy of western activist types on this issue is astounding. One week, they demand that tech companies across the US censor what they find "harmful", but the next week, they condemn the Chinese for doing exactly the same thing for content they find "harmful". Either you're in favor of free speech or you're just partial about which content you want to censor. The activist crowd in the west lost all moral stand…

Google isn't really in favor of free speech, they fired James Damore for stating quite mild facts that are quite known among clinical psychologists.

Hypothesis: some "mild facts" are legally considered "harmful, discriminatory, and disruptive." These two things can both be true, but if they are, companies might still be obligated to minimize a harmful, discriminatory, and disruptive workplace.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/16/17021714/james-damore-goo...

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Yes, people that support the PRC regime tend to also oppose the US military. How is this even the least bit surprising?

Are you seriously arguing that folks against maven were PRC shills?

Nobody said anything about shills. You can be anti-US and pro-China without being a shill.

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I'm having a hard time understanding how Google employees will shut down "immoral" project's for the US Dept of Defense programs like "Project Maven," yet hold their tongues in building an application that limits speech, aiding a repressive regime.

I am having a hard time understanding that he has Indian background and how come he is aloof to ramifications of censorship? He is actively pushing censorship, what government will not want to have a censored version of web? One version for Sikh, different one for Muslim and a different one for Hindu. Well done Sundar, even thinking about it. You will be beholden to local laws, and local laws will always change towar…

Literally all of your comments in this thread are on Indians, India, or Hindus. You've commented multiple times on "the damaging impact this might have on India down the line", but pay no heed to the subject of this whole topic: the immediate damaging effects on Chinese citizens.

As an Indian myself, I'm completely baffled by your tangents and you choosing to actively ignore the main issue at hand. This is not an issue because it might hurt India. This is an issue because it will hurt Chinese citizens.

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HN is not an entity that says things, you're referring to specific people. Yeah, it is known that there are many supporting various despicable practices. If you cared about doing the right thing instead of keeping score you would support this criticism of Google (and also criticize Apple and others).

The point of highlighting Apple's behaviour is not to discount Google's, or to prove an aggregate bias in HN's comments, but to put to light the fact that another corporation much respected for it's stance on privacy as a fundamental right does similar things. It helps in collating the big picture(which does indeed look bleak), which may get lost amidst voices criticising the behaviour of a single corporation.

But I think you're missing that Apple's encryption model protects user data from hostile servers (Secure Enclave). Google's encryption model... does not.

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I love free speech. I love individual liberty. I respect the sovereignty of nations. I believe societies are feee to choose. Should we impose our value system on the Chinese? No. We should try to relate and understand why the Chinese people have taken their route. If and when we find our value systems at odds with those of other people we cannot conclude that ours is superior and undermine their freedom to choose. Th…

> We should try to relate and understand why the Chinese people have taken their route.

The people have not taken this route. The people were mowed down in the thousands during a peaceful protest in Tienamen Square.

> undermine their freedom to choose

They never had the freedom to choose in the first place.

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Still reads as irrational to me, but at least it's technically accurate. It's worth remembering that "data" as they say stales very quickly. Knowing that you ordered a package two months ago is far less interesting than knowing you're expecting one next week. Or that you'll be booking a plane trip soon, and wouldn't you just love to know Delta is cheapest on that date? "Having your data" isn't a binary concept. Their…

> It's worth remembering that "data" as they say stales very quickly. Knowing that you ordered a package two months ago is far less interesting than knowing you're expecting one next week. Comparatively less, yes, but knowing about all your packages is still very interesting and hugely privacy sensitive. > You'll still get ads, but they won't be tailored to you. TBH, all tailoring I've seen is comically bad. Yeah, th…

>Yeah, they can know I bought shoes so they would show me shoe ads for the next three months.

You might be surprised. Some people buy far more shoes than they need. Be it for fashion or simply the love of shopping, I wouldn't be surprised at all if targeting shoe ads at recent shoppers actually made sense.

>No it's not. There's a lot of private things in one's past than can be dug up and (ab)used.

I'm speaking strictly in terms of their business model and services. That's where live data is essential. Fear of potential blackmail seems pretty far removed from that context.

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