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Re: New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring

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Post by s2g »

dang wrote: post #265
selectodude wrote: post #199

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A name with a bunch of numbers behind it spouting off unsourced nonsense is trademark Russian bots on Twitter, so I'd just leave it alone.

This violates the HN guidelines against insinuating astroturfing and calling names in arguments. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

and yet the other response is exactly what that post described.

If people are discussing in good faith, why aren't they willing to do it on an account that matters to them?

Re: New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring

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Post by s2g »

echotango wrote: post #139
masklinn wrote: post #66

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> Everyone goes nuts when the US suggests implementing tariffs against countries that already have tariffs against us. You gotta admit, the message seems to be that other countries are allowed to protect their domestic industry via tariffs and the US is just supposed to deal with it, don’t wanna start a trade war! You do know the US is already heavily protectionist and many tariffs are protections against the US's pr…

Yup. Heavily protectionist. Thats exactly how an unbiased economist would characterize US trade policy. Stop watching msnbc dude. The USA became the world's largest evonomy with massive tariffs on basically all imports. Smoot Hawley Act anyone? Those were removed gradualy starting in the 1970's and lo and behold the trade deficit sky rocketted while the manufacturing economy plummeted.

> Smoot Hawley Act anyone

generally regarded as making the depression worse.

I don't think I've ever seen someone defend that.

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Post by endorphone »

IanDrake wrote: post #298
endorphone wrote: post #257

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Your first two lines are indistinguishable from parody. "A good trade deal doesn’t require 5,600 pages." A Trump talking point, like every one of your posts. But you're surely no Trump fan... Yes, of course trade agreements are voluminous. Saying that it's suspicious because it's big is the sort of nonsensical claim that sells to idiots. TPP was very unpopular, humorously because of sections added by the United State…

You’re all over the place. You like the TPP, the TPP is crap because of the US (under Obama) added things you don’t like, Trump is an idiot for not signing it. Agreements that can’t be read and comprehended in one day aren’t good agreements. I stand by that, no matter what Trump says, no matter what you say. I’m not arguing about trade imbalances on a surplus/deficit amount. I don’t care about the amount. I care abou…

I didn't say I like or dislike the TPP agreement, so I'm not sure where you get that from. Trump had no notable objection to it, beyond his normal pejoratives and limited palette of adjectives, when ultimately it addresses precisely many of his complaints.

Because he isn't arguing merits, or what's best for the US. He's pitching a grand show for his base.

Re: New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring

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Post by s2g »

xienze wrote: post #41
justin66 wrote: post #37

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Hopefully you realize that eliminating all tariffs was never a US negotiating position, it was a random stupid thing the president said.

He wants reciprocity — you tariff me, I tariff you. It’s not just for grins. Get back to the original point: why is it acceptable for other countries to levy tariffs against the US but not the other way around?

> you tariff me, I tariff you

Really, cause they described Trudeau as stabbing them in the back and said there is a special place in hell for people like him. He said Canada would respond with tariffs after Trump put in tariffs.

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Post by s2g »

adventured wrote: post #159
struppi wrote: post #58

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Several European leaders have said publically (though in nicer words) that they don't trust America under this administration anymore. e.g. Sebastian Kurz, a few days ago (1): "The American President is unconventional and American politics has become unpredictable. [...] This is a challenging geopolitical situation." (1) German Interview - https://derstandard.at/2000081642343/Kanzler-Kurz-Wer-auf-Or...

Why would that trust be necessary? It very clearly isn't. Which is not the same as arguing that trust can't be valuable or critical in international relationships depending on the context. China has gone from a $1 trillion to a $13 trillion economy in 20 years, with vast barriers to trade (into their country) and extreme domestic protectionist policies (eg barring majority domestic business ownership, and most foreig…

> Why would that trust be necessary? It very clearly isn't.

Okay, why should North Korea cooperate with Trump?

Why should Iran?

He says one thing then turns around and does another. How do you come to an agreement with that sort of person on anything?

It's not about having good or bad policies. It's about being able to do any sort of good faith negotiation.

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cdumler wrote: post #118
frockington wrote: post #109

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I believe nobody should have tariffs. Understanding that is never going to happen, it should at least be a starting ppoint

I'm glad that you believe it, but it's not a reasonable position. The primary reason for some U.S. tariffs is the legitimate reason of national security. We provide tariffs on certain foods, mineral resources, and military products because we want to guarantee that we do not loose production ability. Should we suddenly find ourselves in a world war, we would not be creating these production lines from scratch. Theref…

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Post by dang »

s2g wrote: post #321
dang wrote: post #265

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This violates the HN guidelines against insinuating astroturfing and calling names in arguments. Please read them and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

and yet the other response is exactly what that post described. If people are discussing in good faith, why aren't they willing to do it on an account that matters to them?

I'm not sure I follow you, but it doesn't sound related to the issue of needing to follow the site guidelines when posting here, regardless of what someone else is 'spouting'. We're all spouting something.

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Post by tomp »

arcticbull wrote: post #308
workinthehead wrote: post #303

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I would really like to see a source for your claim that "most people" think of the "EU" as something other than the European Union. Seriously, what's with all the weasel words? Switzerland is not an EU member. End of.

What does EU mean to you? Does it mean you can move freely from country to country? (You can, it's Schengen) How about goods? (They can, they're in the single market) How about animals? Pets? (Switzerland accepts EU pet passports) How about laws? Switzerland has many of the same EU laws. How about judiciary? They're moving to accept the ECJ. At what point does it matter if they're EU or not if all the other rules app…

They’re actually not in the single market for goods, you pay customs at the border if you import stuff.

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Post by samastur »

tomp wrote: post #108
samastur wrote: post #105

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This works only as long as people having these high salaries do work with high added value and you are not relying much on international trade. Otherwise they can be effectively undercut by people who can do the same thing cheaper.

hence tariffs.

Hence relying much on international trade part. Tariffs can influence only internal prices. Your exports, more costly because of wages, will still need to prove their value.

In practice your tariffs will also reduce your exports since you can generally expect reciprocal tariffs from your trading partners amply demonstrated right now.

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Post by Symbiote »

mikk14 wrote: post #205
cdumler wrote: post #118

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I'm glad that you believe it, but it's not a reasonable position. The primary reason for some U.S. tariffs is the legitimate reason of national security. We provide tariffs on certain foods, mineral resources, and military products because we want to guarantee that we do not loose production ability. Should we suddenly find ourselves in a world war, we would not be creating these production lines from scratch. Theref…

Well, frankly I don't think it's a disadvantage. It's difficult to move out from the equilibrium of countries mistrusting each other, but I think what you describe is actually an utopia. If we manage to destroy all tariffs and make countries lose parts of their production abilities, we'd make war unthinkable, which is a net good. The US would never start an all-out war because it would starve, and whomever specialize…

The European Union is an attempt at this utopia.

There are no tariffs on food, steel or similar between the member states. All states subsidise food production, but not steel.

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