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Post by trophycase »

chatmasta wrote: post #287
trophycase wrote: post #250

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You're telling someone who finds their life to be so unendurable that they need to be more considerate? Hell yeah it's selfish. And for a lot of people that do it, it's one of the few times they've done something for themselves. Everybody should have a right to die, and in a world where lives are constantly getting longer and society more oppressive with its demands, the right to die should be fundamental.

What about the argument that your rights are inalienable until they infringe upon the rights of others? Do people who care about me, or the people who invested so much time and money in raising me, not have a right to keep me in their life? By taking your own life you force people who care about you into a state of grief. I do not believe anyone has the right to force emotional distress onto another person. I underst…

> I do not believe anyone has the right to force emotional distress onto another person.

But the person who is already under emotional distress should continue to endure theirs? Is your position really that you have a right not to be emotionally upset by others? How does this position account for any form of conflict at all?

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Post by danieltillett »

ethbro wrote: post #133
specialist wrote: post #44

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"...only makes it worse..." I recently initiated a suicide intervention for a loved one. I would like to know what would make it better. Or at least what not to do. I am relentlessly optimistic (cancer survivor, a learned skill). I definitely feel like my efforts here ("talking someone off the ledge") had mixed results at best. Good stuff for other cancer victims. Not so good for depression, suicidal tendencies. Sure…

(Aside from the tragedy that is this news) Kitchens are wonderful microcosms of results oriented management. You have a highly mobile and mercenary workforce, many alternate employment opportunities with similar benefits (e.g. none), a clearly defined goal (food, on time), high frequency of repetition and a short time to failure loop (great for learning or improving), a reputation with fickle customers to maintain, a…

Out of curiosity what is a semi-documented immigrant?

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Post by meko »

foobaw wrote: post #299
monkeynotes wrote: post #224

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I wish I knew where to seek the treatment you found. I suffer from anxiety, depression, and trauma and it limits my potential every day. I have counselling but I find it extremely difficult to connect with the source of all of it and flush it out. I know it's in there, hiding. The ego death you speak of is what I invite every day but the negativity and shame that my ego has insulated itself with is extremely resilien…

I wish you the best. One thing that really helped a lot of my peers is Ketamine and there are treatment centers available in big cities.

Be careful with ketamine though, it's really hard on your internals: gallbladder, liver, bladder and kidneys.

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Post by sbenitoj »

mindgam3 wrote: post #297
sbenitoj wrote: post #157

My mother committed suicide 8 years ago, and this is something I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time thinking about and trying to understand (in part to ensure I never suffer the same fate). For anyone who has struggled with depression or severe anxiety, if you haven’t read the book The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, I encourage you to read it as soon as possible — it’s one of the best, most approacha…

+1 for The Body Keeps the Score. One of the most useful books on overcoming trauma I've ever read. The idea of Developmental Trauma Disorder is so much more constructive than other models. So many of the things we call "diseases" can be traced to trauma. "Mental injury" may be a more useful construct than "mental illness". In the same way that your body can heal from a femur fracture, your psyche can heal from a trau…

Any modalities in particular you found beneficial from The Body Keeps the Score?

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Post by _dj8y »

ada1981 wrote: post #49

I struggled with mental health issues my entire adult life. Psychosis, Schizophrenia, Biploar, Anxiety, Suicidal Depression, Panic Attacks. It wasn’t until I changed my relationship to all emotions and then sought out a variety of support to safely go deeply into my experience that I was able to find relief. 1 session of MDMA therapy lifted a decade of suicidal thoughts; session 2 a year later largely freed me of anx…

My experience mirrors yours in many ways, including the tools, modalities, and techniques you mention. I appreciate what you've shared here and how you've articulated this.

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Post by _dj8y »

monkeynotes wrote: post #224
ada1981 wrote: post #49

I struggled with mental health issues my entire adult life. Psychosis, Schizophrenia, Biploar, Anxiety, Suicidal Depression, Panic Attacks. It wasn’t until I changed my relationship to all emotions and then sought out a variety of support to safely go deeply into my experience that I was able to find relief. 1 session of MDMA therapy lifted a decade of suicidal thoughts; session 2 a year later largely freed me of anx…

I wish I knew where to seek the treatment you found. I suffer from anxiety, depression, and trauma and it limits my potential every day. I have counselling but I find it extremely difficult to connect with the source of all of it and flush it out. I know it's in there, hiding. The ego death you speak of is what I invite every day but the negativity and shame that my ego has insulated itself with is extremely resilien…

I know that this is hard -- please feel free to email me. I can put you in touch with various networks of practitioners.

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

jrs95 wrote: post #45
_mitch wrote: post #29

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I don't think OP was implying you should attempt to counsel the person. You don't need experience to check in on friends and coworkers if they seem off. Ask them if they're having thoughts of hurting themselves. Listen to their answer. If they are, encourage them to seek professional help; whether that is giving them the information to call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255) or assisting in get…

Has anyone done this and had success? As someone who has dealt with suicidal thoughts for years and continues to struggle with it, it wouldn’t do me any good. I’d lie and act like it’s a ridiculous question, and then I’d probably be binge drinking for the next week from the stress and paranoia from being “found out”.

I had success in that I'm still alive.

I have called a suicide hotline. They determined that I was a danger to myself. The police came to my house and took me to a crisis center where I was held against my will for seventy-two hours where other unsupervised, unmedicated residents of a facility for observation before being released.

If I am ever suicidal again I'll just skip the suicide hotline. They were no help, and those seventy-two hours were the worst of my life.

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Post by meko »

I'm at a week-long point of one of the harder depression episodes I've ever had. It came from running out and thus taking a break from my adhd meds. A week ago, I was worried about my health, because I loved life and wanted to live it to the fullest. The last 3-4 days has been 14 hour sleep sessions, lack of will to get up and out, and a profound sadness about my place in life. I had to keep talking myself out of saying I didn't want to be alive anymore last night; it was uncontrollable despair accompanied by insomnia. Went to my shrink today who gave me a welbutrin script so I'm hoping that works out for me. My saving grace in all this is how I've come to externalize the prolonged feeling of down-ness. I talked to a good friend about it, who proceeded to tell me how it was just my state of mind and that "Its literally the way you look at a situation". Not only is that patronizing, it tries to erase the agony of my experiences. I've experimented with mdma, psychs (lsd, dmt, shrooms), weed, ket, none of it has sustained any sort of cure. The problems just come right back.
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