Amazon warehouse workers 'peed in bottles' fearing punishment for taking breaks

Post by usaphp » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 5:36 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #27

atrexler wrote: post #23

Long-haul truckers have been doing this for decades for the same reason-- they don't have time to pull over and use the restroom-- and no one is upset about that. I'm sure there are many industries, white and blue collar, where similar norms are expressed. Edit to add: I'm not endorsing the practice in any industry at all, just pointing out that its not a unique problem to Amazon. My comment would have been better ph…

wait, you're sure there are many industries, white and blue collar, where workers routinely pee in bottles as a job requirement? Really? In the U.S.? You're pretty sure about this, eh? Many industries? I'd be curious to hear an example of one industry where "white collar" workers routinely pee in bottles as a job requirement, official or unofficial.

Post by laythea » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

leggomylibro wrote: post #317

laythea wrote: post #288

Hang on a second. Isn't the magical quality about life, is its ability to adapt? If the world is becoming full of this kind of job, we need as individuals to reject it, and adapt to other forms of income. Off course, if you let the corporations treat us like this, they will. And they are not at fault. It is us at fault for accepting it. We must not accept these forms of income. Easier said than done, I know. But, who…

Of course, it's so easy - there's no apprehension of the fallout from your decisions, no lingering self-doubt, no fear that maybe you contribute to the problem and self-advocacy might amount to petulance, no implicit duress from the question of where your food and shelter will come from. I guess it might not be a bad metaphor, but I gotta say, your advice seems facile and sort of in poor taste from my point of view.…

Post by aleksei » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

prostoalex wrote: post #237

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #47

My fear is that the future of work for most people is not unemployment, but shitty jobs like this. My feeling is that in order to avoid this and prosper, the people need to own the robots that do all the work (Marxism heyy). If robots provide huge productivity gains, then they will provide those gains for their owners. If it’s the big corporations that own them, they will see the gains. But as long as people are trea…

> the people need to own the robots that do all the work What happens when a private party (or a competitive public party, like China) designs cheaper and more efficient robots? The conflict is explored in Ayn Rand's "Anthem", where the society is a collective owner of a candle factory and therefore resists advance of electricity, or Mike Judge's "Idiocracy", where half of the workers in the country are employed in v…

Post by wutbrodo » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

tsnont34nt wrote: post #273

gimmeDatCheddar wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you know what most people DO own? Unnecessary consumer debt that stunts their ability to save and invest. When the average car payment in America is around $500 a month, it's clear evidence that people have a spending problem rather than an income problem. Here's an idea: Teach people not to finance $500 worth of car each month (plus gas, plus insurance, plus maintenance, plus healthcare costs) and suddenly peopl…

Can you post a reference to that $500 number? I find that hard to believe. I was leasing a luxury car for around $400/mo a few years ago. What kinds of cars are average Americans leasing? Rolls Royces?

Post by icebraining » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #181

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #47

My fear is that the future of work for most people is not unemployment, but shitty jobs like this. My feeling is that in order to avoid this and prosper, the people need to own the robots that do all the work (Marxism heyy). If robots provide huge productivity gains, then they will provide those gains for their owners. If it’s the big corporations that own them, they will see the gains. But as long as people are trea…

>>What do you all think of this? Most of the software world made its choice. Remember the Open source movement is a political movement and not a software movement. The point of Open source is to control the source or precisely 'Own the means of production'.