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Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ec109685 wrote: post #312
Rjevski wrote: post #246

My takeaway from the whole GDPR craze is that if you respect your users and have some ethics as to how you process their data then you don't have much to worry about to begin with. If you are an asshole that's trying to get as much data off your users in order to resell them to the highest bidder, share it with "partners" (partners in crime that is), or to advertise/spam them with shit they don't need, then frankly y…

Do you have any citations for this belief? The law is pretty explicit that you need consent to collect data from users, they need to be able to view what you collected and they need to be able to delete it. Are you hoping that nobody notices that you aren’t complying?

The point was that "if you respect your users and have some ethics", you're likely already almost entirely compliant with GDPR.

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Post by downandout »

mulmen wrote: post #318
downandout wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been looking into this, as I run several sites myself, and apparently this isn’t true. They can go after you even if you have no EU presence, and US courts will domesticate any EU judgment against you for fines levied under it.

Do you have a source on this? Seems like a major concern if true.

Several, but this one explains the issue most succinctly:

https://aristilabs.com/how-the-gdpr-apply-to-your-us-based-c...

"Under Article 3 of the GDPR, your company is subject to the new law if it processes personal data of an individual residing in the EU when the data is accessed....the GDPR can apply even if no financial transaction occurs. For example, if your organization is a US company with an Internet presence, selling or marketing products over the Web, or even merely offering a marketing survey globally, you may be subject to the GDPR."

With regard to enforcement....

"...EU regulators rely on international law to issue fines. Written into GDPR itself is a clause, stating that any action against a company from outside the EU must be issued in accordance with international law."

Most US states have adopted the Uniform Foreign Money Judgments Recognition Act (UFMJRA), which allows for judgments issued by foreign courts to be domesticated. Once that is done, the judgment carries the same force and effect as if it were originally issued by a US court.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Bizarro »

mulmen wrote: post #318
downandout wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been looking into this, as I run several sites myself, and apparently this isn’t true. They can go after you even if you have no EU presence, and US courts will domesticate any EU judgment against you for fines levied under it.

Do you have a source on this? Seems like a major concern if true.

It's not true, but something that is bantered about on HN by people that wish it was true.

Think about it. If it was true, then the entire global legal system would get very chaotic.

Frankly, the political agenda by people telling these lies is quite tiresome.

Just ignore them.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Bizarro »

mulmen wrote: post #318
downandout wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been looking into this, as I run several sites myself, and apparently this isn’t true. They can go after you even if you have no EU presence, and US courts will domesticate any EU judgment against you for fines levied under it.

Do you have a source on this? Seems like a major concern if true.

And since I can't reply to the parent directly, I'll just say that there is no international law that covers this. None, zilch, zero....so anybody says that you're somehow beholden to GDPR when you have 0 presence in the EU is either lying or ignorant of the reality.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by downandout »

Bizarro wrote: post #323
mulmen wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source on this? Seems like a major concern if true.

It's not true, but something that is bantered about on HN by people that wish it was true. Think about it. If it was true, then the entire global legal system would get very chaotic. Frankly, the political agenda by people telling these lies is quite tiresome. Just ignore them.

It's interesting that I posted a source for this 5 minutes before you posted this comment.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by saryant »

martin_bech wrote: post #187
sumeno wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see the potential problem if the only media that is able to exist is that which is state sponsored? You may be happy with the state sponsored options now, but will that always be the case? Would you feel the same if you living in the Soviet Union or Germany circa 1940?

How is CNN, Fox News and the sinclair group, working out for you guys? I trust state paid media in the EU, way more than any US news media. The reason why most EU countries have state paid media, is so that its non commercial, non partisan, and cant be bought. There are different principles in place, so government has no say, in what is broadcast/not broadcast. This also means that all political parties get the same…

New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe?

Those are three publications that have sent shockwaves around the world with their privately-funded investigative journalism.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by whataretensors »

Doesn't the NSA and other intelligence agencies collect detailed data on everyone? They also seem to have backdoors into a lot of centralized systems.

Nobody seems to care that government organizations sit outside of regulation and tell us we need to regulate everyone else. It's simply a power play.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by Bizarro »

beojan wrote: post #142
rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

> No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news industry is already sickly, financially, and they mostly have no model other than advertising (with a very few exceptions). We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good. News outl…

We have publicly funded broadcasters in most EU countries. The ad-supported news sites, on the other hand, are generally doing more harm than good.

Why am I not surprised that a European is saying that the government-backed "broadcaster" are all so good, and evil private American new sites are bad.

this pretty much sums up the real agenda behind GDPR.

It would be better to call the bluff of these EUrocrats and see what they'll really do. Other countries can retaliate.

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by eksemplar »

rossdavidh wrote: post #135

In fact, I think the author is underestimating the impact, right here: "Of course, making this change will have a dramatic impact on your revenue for single-visit traffic, because you basically have to design your ad model to work completely differently from how it works today." No, it will basically make a newsmedia site unprofitable. I think it is the EU that has not fully thought this through. Most of the news ind…

I don’t think the EU has thought it through. I work in a municipality in Denmark, one of the most digitized public sectors in the EU and we’re not anywhere close to being ready.

None of the hundreds of suppliers we use are truly ready, and how would they be? It took 45 years to build this tech, you can’t just replace the innards in a few years. Estonia is the only country that is close to ready, and that’s mostly because they’ve build their entire system with a focus on sharing and securing data. Nobody else has anything close to it.

It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out in the courts. I mean, keeping privacy data safe should be an important concern, but do we really want to close hospitals and schools because we can’t afford to pay the fines when it fails?

Re: Publishers Haven't Realized How Big a Deal GDPR Is

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

ec109685 wrote: post #307
mgiannopoulos wrote: post #83

The author claims that for one-time visitors you're not supposed to have any 3rd-party tracking code but uses Google Analytics which Ghostery counts as a tracking code. How's that going to work out for practically every site in the world?

The author is wrong. You just do what google does and ask for consent before providing access to the site. The user doesn’t need to log in to consent. Once consented, the site can set a cookie. Then that user becomes part of your “Full interaction users” bucket.

Sounds good to me but that would be only needed if you’re sending personal data (like usernames) to Google Analytics, right? If you’re anonymising IP and have no personal data in your URLs, there is no need for consent for GA tracking I think.
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