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Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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Post by Fins »

drawkbox wrote: post #240
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #236

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It's funny that you link Jon Brodkin, because I was going to point out all of what gave you this erroneous impression was from a select handful of media properties which have incredibly close ties with Google... You ignored that Google and Facebook are also the front door to the Internet, and that you cannot evade their privacy violations by just "not using them". You've also continued to not address that Google is a…

- Do you want your ISP tracking you and selling your private data? Do you think that is the place of an ISP? - Does it bother you you are PAYING your ISP and they are reselling your data as well? - Do you trust Comcast and Verizon and like that you are paying them to sell your data when you just want to use them to get online and are ok with this? It is funny you keep evading those important questions and flipping ba…

But the ISP does not follow me from device to device, doesn't (for home providers, anyway) correlate me with location info, and generally knows far less about me.

I'd rather Comcast didn't touch my data, but no, in the end I would trust them with it far more than I would trust Google or Facebook.

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Post by sweeds »

kuschku wrote: post #277
TulliusCicero wrote: post #264

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> I use seafile with automated upload and a custom-built photos UI frontend to provide a photo gallery for me, and to allow me to share photos. I use the tensorflow pre-trained example model for object classification to tag the images, it’s good enough. Possibly the most hacker_news.txt comment in this thread. "Why rely on [popular consumer service] when you could just build your own photos frontend and then set up a…

That’s why I said, for normal people this is insanity, but this is Hacker News - no one on this site has an excuse for using GMail. And even the photos part – every week we have another Show HN of someone building some new project with the pretrained tensorflow models. But yes, my setup is something I don’t expect most people to build for themselves – instead I’d hope that NAS vendors would include similar functional…

"No one on this site has an excuse for using GMail"... C'mon, now. I get your point, but ease it up a bit.

We can still use products built by companies. The OP has stated he's okay with "paying" using his data for the ease of use and benefits of a commercial service. It's cool you built your own! But there's a reason why GMail exists and is popular.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

gdwatson wrote: post #247
hcnews wrote: post #239

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Only in the US can actions regarding firearms be considered a political move. (Most of) Rest of the world sees it as a safety issue and is happy to give away their firearms.

The U.S. has a somewhat different take from much of the world on several civil liberties issues, including freedom of speech and freedom of religion. As an American I'm quite proud of that fact.

And yet some guys flew 2 planes in a building complex and you got the patriot act.

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Post by kuschku »

sweeds wrote: post #322
kuschku wrote: post #277

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That’s why I said, for normal people this is insanity, but this is Hacker News - no one on this site has an excuse for using GMail. And even the photos part – every week we have another Show HN of someone building some new project with the pretrained tensorflow models. But yes, my setup is something I don’t expect most people to build for themselves – instead I’d hope that NAS vendors would include similar functional…

"No one on this site has an excuse for using GMail"... C'mon, now. I get your point, but ease it up a bit. We can still use products built by companies. The OP has stated he's okay with "paying" using his data for the ease of use and benefits of a commercial service. It's cool you built your own! But there's a reason why GMail exists and is popular.

Well, I meant that no one has an excuse to say that they "have" to use GMail. Sorry if that was worded wrongly.

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Post by aylmao »

wutbrodo wrote: post #179
aylmao wrote: post #105

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Mark Zukerberg has a foundation with his wife, and they have vowed to donate 99% of their net worth to it [1]. This is Bill and Melinda Gates level; they also pledged to donate the vast majority of their wealth (95%). Sergey cheated on his wife with a Google employee (who was like 20 years younger and dating another executive) and got a widely publicized divorce [2]. We don't have transcripts for Sergey and Page, but…

I'm making no claim as to how they are as people, but rather what they see as the philosophical center of their organizations. "Cheated on his wife" and "has a foundation" couldn't be less relevant. Bill Gates, as you mention, is practically the poster child for charity, and yet the idea that that implies much useful about the principles that animated Microsoft under his tenure is foolhardy. My statement didn't say a…

> I'm making no claim as to how they are as people

Well, sorry I thought you were, but when you say "consistently come across as being principled and passionate" and talk about who Zukerberg was as a person when he was 20 (when he made the "dumb fucks" comment) and his "his ethical foundations", it very much sounds you're making claims about them as people.

> spoke only about the _perception_ of what their company's philosophies

If you say "It's of course entirely possible that this simply means that the Google guys are better at personal", by personal I'm gonna assume you mean surrounding their person, not their companies, and personal PR _is_ very flat and all about "Sergey good" or "Zuck bad". My comment was meant to give the other side of the coin: it's evident you personally see Google's founders as better people ethically, and Zuck as lacking principles, so I gave you an example of the opposite to complement your point of view and hopefully give you a more rounded vision of them. They're all people, with their flaws and strengths; neither has it all figured out.

> The rest of your comment is pretty much a non sequitur and this is already a pretty long response, so forgive me for not addressing it (though I'm happy to if you think I'm being unfair to your point).

I don't mind long comments, feel free to address it. (:

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Post by hueving »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #144
hueving wrote: post #143

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What router are you using? I would like to do this for my parents but I don't want a full blown pfsense box as a requirement.

...I have bad news. :) It's a PC Engines APU2 running pfSense.

Dang, I suspected it from the description of what you were doing because pfsense is so awesome for that kind of stuff.

Just thinking from the perspective of remote support, I can't really walk my folks through a pfsense setup over the phone if there is a hardware failure... :/

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Post by jessaustin »

taurath wrote: post #22
delbel wrote: post #20

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I was trying to come up with a solution. Something like retroactively classify companies that are taking money or are involved in this type of stuff register as a Political Action Committee. Because this is regulated by the FEC. Make Google, CNN, Facebook, Fox, whatever, disclose they are working for hire to politicize your experience. Then, make it so that every 5 years a company can appeal this retro-active PAC sta…

I’ve always thought that a way to get this passed would be to tell the public that you’d be effecting whichever the other sides media is. For conservatives that’d be restricting cnn, msnbc, etc and for liberals that’d be Fox News brietbart etc. People hate the other side more than they love their side I find.

This message would not appeal to conservatives, mostly because they would not believe it. All of the narratives about the speech restrictions that replay over and over in their "bubble": Fairness Doctrine, Citizens United, campus speech codes, etc., are about limitations to conservative speech.

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Post by squarefoot »

jessaustin wrote: post #311
squarefoot wrote: post #170

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"I know Google is profiling me and harvesting my data. But it's not using me to harvest my friends information." Hey Google, text Alice, Bob and Lisa I'll meet them at the cafe at 17:30.

Don't you have to have them in your address book for this to work?

Yes, the information given there is where we meet and when.

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Post by wutbrodo »

aylmao wrote: post #325
wutbrodo wrote: post #179

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I'm making no claim as to how they are as people, but rather what they see as the philosophical center of their organizations. "Cheated on his wife" and "has a foundation" couldn't be less relevant. Bill Gates, as you mention, is practically the poster child for charity, and yet the idea that that implies much useful about the principles that animated Microsoft under his tenure is foolhardy. My statement didn't say a…

> I'm making no claim as to how they are as people Well, sorry I thought you were, but when you say "consistently come across as being principled and passionate" and talk about who Zukerberg was as a person when he was 20 (when he made the "dumb fucks" comment) and his "his ethical foundations", it very much sounds you're making claims about them as people. > spoke only about the _perception_ of what their company's…

> it very much sounds you're making claims about them as people.

That's not an unreasonable interpretation, but it isn't what I intended. Their personal PR about how they run the company matters because these are unusually founder-driven companies, and even more so in terms of perception. Just as most people think of the President as more of a king, most have an image of Facebook as Mark Zuckerberg's personal playground.

> it's evident you personally see Google's founders as better people ethically, and Zuck as lacking principles

You have me wrong here. As I said, I was speaking about perceptions of them. As I said tho, that's not unreasonable, since in the name of succinctness, I presented the view and only afterwards indicated that I was focusing on perception.

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Post by exikyut »

lallysingh wrote: post #292
exikyut wrote: post #272

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Wait. Wait a minute. I was planning literally this month to figure out how to implement domain traffic analytics on my LAN by using SNI via libpcap or similar (something tiny). Will I have to configure a root cert and build a full DPI proxy to make this futureproof? >_<

It'll be coming, and yes you will. On the bright side, nobody else without a root cert on your box can do it.

Argh. But thanks for the honest headsup.

Time to go learn how to do DPI...

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