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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum Here is another example of the re-labeling of everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders! Sorry, but I distinctly remember that the Democrats were the Left and the Republicans were the Right. You seem to be clearly interested in a dramatic shift to the Left. Thanks for being open about it. (F…

American politics occupies a postage stamp on a continent of political possibility. It is bizarre to argue about left and right when it takes a microscope to differentiate the two. If you don't like "leftward shifts", when did you decide to vote Democrat? When George Wallace was running?

American politics occupies a postage stamp on a continent of political possibility.

Perhaps this is true for "mainstream" politics for most of the past 100 years. I'm not so sure it applies to political activism on campus (i.e. Evergreen), the Alt-Right, Antifa, explicitly White Supremacist fringes, Redneck Revolution, &c.

It is bizarre to argue about left and right when it takes a microscope to differentiate the two.

Agreed, but as I point out above, the small difference between the traditional Democrat and Republican parties isn't the issue in 2018.

If you don't like "leftward shifts", when did you decide to vote Democrat?

As a child of immigrants, I was basically raised to vote Democrat. I showed up for the first primaries for Obama, noting the ham-fisted attempt of the local democratic secretary to get us all to incorrectly fill in the forms to disenfranchise us. I remember distinctly when basically no one would ever use the term "White Supremacist" north of the Mason Dixon line without being considered a conspiracy nutcase. I remember when the dismantling of due process and the wholesale labeling of the rural population as "deplorables" would've been considered stupidity from the mouth of a Democratic candidate. I remember when "safe spaces" on campus would've been immediately rejected as infantile nonsense by Democrats.

I remember when the kind of toxicity, fact-free imputation, and leaning on emotional images in we see in today's politics would have been called out by Democrats as an intellectually dishonest mode of operation. Not to say that politics were free of such nonsense and pollution, but back then, it was widely recognized as nonsense and pollution and not thought of as an intellectually and morally worthy activity.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Since you brought up voting in the first place, I'd guess that you're still hooked on the narrative that claims "Voting is important!" That's not a good inference. Before I answer, let me ask you: Do you think the election of Trump is at all significant? Meaningless gestures don't gain meaning just because we wish it were so. The subject of discussion was my political affiliation, not whether my votes were significan…

Of course not. Trump is Obama II, or perhaps we should say Bush Jr. III. Even the dim hopes some naive souls harbored that somehow he would be less militarist than his predecessors have evaporated by now. The significance of Trump's election, if any can be said to exist, is that from now on all of our chief executives will be reality TV stars. Is that progress? You think you're being clever, asking all these question…

The significance of Trump's election, if any can be said to exist, is that from now on all of our chief executives will be reality TV stars.

JFK was the first candidate to embrace Television. Perhaps Trump, being a part of the same lurid show, is the first candidate to realize how hollowed-out the media based on that technology has become.

Is that progress?

It's the classic creative destruction in the media.

You think you're being clever, asking all these questions before making any firm statement.

One of the best ways to judge someone is to see how they make decisions and predictions, and to observe on what information those are based upon.

The downvoters seem to have seen through the mask?

It's not possible to make judgements as above from the downvotes. It seems you should have noted that.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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No. I certainly don't disagree that Republicans also finagle with laws and regulations for their own interests, to the detriment of the public. Perhaps this is the source of your confusion. The Far-Left is the group which currently has enough power to attempt the silencing of others to the detriment of free speech, and get away with it on a widespread basis. It does so on a daily basis, with the help of corporate pow…

And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally

Election shenanigans, not Free Speech per se.

and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly?

Those should also be fought, no matter who is doing it.

The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left, and even at first many in the mainstream media gave a free pass to even to Antifa. It's well known that the GOP has an advantage in local politics. No one is pretending this isn't the case. However, the widespread conceit that the mainstream news is anywhere near unbiased still needs debunking. Badly. As in, society's survival is at stake levels of badly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qmiPWgCYb4

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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No. I certainly don't disagree that Republicans also finagle with laws and regulations for their own interests, to the detriment of the public. Perhaps this is the source of your confusion. The Far-Left is the group which currently has enough power to attempt the silencing of others to the detriment of free speech, and get away with it on a widespread basis. It does so on a daily basis, with the help of corporate pow…

And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

  refusing to run special elections illegally
Examples?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally Election shenanigans, not Free Speech per se. and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? Those should also be fought, no matter who is doing it. The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels. The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left, and even at first many in the mainstream media…

> The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left,

No, it's not. The lions share of media workers may have left-of-center leanings, but media firms aren't coops, so that doesn't actually matter; old media corporations are not owned and run by leftists, or even left-of-center-ists.

The mainstream media may be getting increasingly distant from the Republican Party by standing still (or, at least, moving to the right more slowly), politically, while the Republican Party continues the sprint to the far right that it's been doing since the moment the Democratic Party, led—dragged, really—by Bill Clinton, itself shifted right to form the center-right neoliberal consensus of the early 1990s.

(I call this response an “Overton Slingshot”, because while the tactical move to the right by Dems may have had short term electoral benefits for those left of center in getting slightly less conservative Democrats elected over Republicans—though whether it had any tactical value is itself highly debatable—it definitely was a long term disaster for them in the way it shifted the Overton Window.)

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally Election shenanigans, not Free Speech per se. and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? Those should also be fought, no matter who is doing it. The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels. The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left, and even at first many in the mainstream media…

> The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left, No, it's not. The lions share of media workers may have left-of-center leanings, but media firms aren't coops, so that doesn't actually matter; old media corporations are not owned and run by leftists, or even left-of-center-ists. The mainstream media may be getting increasingly distant from the Republican Party by standing still (or, at least, moving…

The lions share of media workers may have left-of-center leanings

An analysis of the product indicates a clear bias. The left-leaning biased organizations far outnumber the right-biased ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qmiPWgCYb4

since the moment the Democratic Party, led—dragged, really—by Bill Clinton, itself shifted right to form the center-right neoliberal consensus of the early 1990s.

In most western democracies, it's the center which needs to be allied with the administration in order to govern.

The shift isn't to the right. The failed embracing of Identity Politics and Intersectionality by Hillary was the final stage of a massive shift of the Democratic party in the center under Bill Clinton far to the left. Much of that was overseen by Obama.

Throwing out due process and freedom of speech -- individual rights -- is about as radical-left as you can get. In years past, such specific shifts would have been widely recognized as basically going as far left as Mao. It's basically throwing out the fundamental ideological basis of the United States. Now people are trying to convince people that this is "normal" and wanting such foundational individual rights is "shifting far right." Sorry, but anyone who remembers 10 years ago with a clear head can recognize this as a retcon of US history.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

#328

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And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally Election shenanigans, not Free Speech per se. and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? Those should also be fought, no matter who is doing it. The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels. The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left, and even at first many in the mainstream media…

> The lion's share of the mainstream media is biased to the left

When your positions are so extreme the lion share of the population votes against them, its not hard to find boogeymen.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

#329

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And what do you call refusing to run special elections illegally and passing anti-speech laws at the state level exactly? The GOP does that as well and pretending its only one side is absurd on many levels.

refusing to run special elections illegally Examples?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/26/eric...

> “Governor Scott Walker’s refusal to hold special elections is an affront to representative democracy,” Holder said in a statement. “Forcing citizens to go more than a year without representation in the general Assembly is a plain violation of their rights, and we’re hopeful the court will act quickly to order the governor to hold elections.”

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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What of it? If you have an advantage half the time that's better than not having it, as long as benefits exceed costs.

That assumes that the marginal utility of more bandwidth doesn't decrease; personally I'd rather have 10Mb all the time, than an average of 10Mb that is sometimes 1Gb and sometimes 0.1Mb. If you can't stream Netflix when it's raining heavily outside, that's a big problem.

I don't think that's the right way to look at the problem. Financial concerns use these microwave networks for additional speed; if it's not available all the time, their competitive edge is limited, but their trades still go through, just not a few milliseconds in advance of their competitors.

At least, one hopes that their trading strategy is based on a combination of financial fundamentals and a technological speed boost; if the speed boost is the only thing they've got going for them then that doesn't speak very well of their business.

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