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Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a nasty dark pattern but I think in the case of iOS upgrades you can somewhat justify it - it’s important that users upgrade to avoid security issues etc. Of course really, iOS upgrades should be so pain-free that no one would ever want to say no, but that’s a different story!
I suspect that their motivation to push users to upgrade has far more to do with their planned obsolescence than anything to do with keeping users secure.
I see no basis for thinking that whatsoever.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#323Slightly related peeve: if you enable 2FA on Facebook they will never expire any existing browser cookie or mobile app token. Thus whoever gets their hands on your desktop or a device, even months into the future, will bypass 2FA.
That's not true, you have the ability in settings to see all old sessions and revoke device approvals. It's pretty easy to clear out your old machines.
True, because removal of _all_ existing sessions and tokens should be automatic when 2FA is enabled (you're saying to FB: I only want to be using FB if I've completed 2FA). Under what circumstances would the user want existing sessions to live forever on old devices? (I can answer that : they would want that when they were making their money from advertising "engagement").
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not really a convincing argument, even if nobody used searching to get to Facebook, the search traffic would still reflect the general interest in Facebook. But given the huge search traffic it is not convincing that nobody uses search to access Facebook to begin with. So one has to at least argue that the decline in search traffic is due to user migrating from browser to app or something along that line. Als…
Everybody uses power utilities, but what's the search volume for power companies?
Low but constant [1] and it is the constant volume that matters, not the volume on itself.
[1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I first opened up the Netflix mobile app and it asked me if I wanted it to show me notifications I thought "hey, that's nice, most apps just start spamming me without asking". I clicked "No thanks" and went on my way. It turns out, though, that it asks that _every_ single time I open the app. It's really annoying and I'm about to allow them only to block them at the OS level.
This is one reason some folks prefer Apple. iOS had privacy options at the OS level for years before Android got into the game (yes xPrivacy but not everyone can root)
If you buy a current Android phone, it will have privacy controls for 90% (guesstimate) of apps in the Play Store.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yep. As as a European WhatsApp has become as essential as breathing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am an European, and I have never used WhatsApp.
I don't use WhatsApp myself but I was surprised to find that members of my extended family (mostly in their 50s) had started using it to stay in touch rather than Facebook. Also, from what I have read, WhatsApp is very popular in UK political circles (MPs, SPADs etc.).
I don't use WhatsApp myself but I was surprised to find that members of my extended family (mostly in their 50s) had started using it to stay in touch rather than Facebook.
They're still using Facebook, just one of its other shapes.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#327Finally, somewhere I can appropriately vent about this. About TWO years ago I was constantly annoyed by the 'secure your account: add your phone number here' banner frequently displayed at the top of the page upon loading FB, so I input my number to make it disappear for good. (Also, they kept hiding the 'x' (close) icon in different spots, making the banner difficult to dismiss.) A few days later I got a text messag…
> I realize that the proper solution is to terminate my account and never attempt to log back in I've had a "terminated" account that occasionally gets emails inviting me to "Log back in with one click". When I originally tried to delete the account, it told me it would be actually erased a month after. That was 6 years ago.
They do actually have a "delete" switch, but it's harder to find than the "deactivate" one. I've made this mistake before, then with a quick google for "deactivate vs delete facebook" I learned how to do it right.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a nasty dark pattern but I think in the case of iOS upgrades you can somewhat justify it - it’s important that users upgrade to avoid security issues etc. Of course really, iOS upgrades should be so pain-free that no one would ever want to say no, but that’s a different story!
iOS upgrades have long been synonymous to me to having to go through a dozen modal screens nagging me for apple services...
iOS devices in general. Spend two months away from one and you'll have about 3-5 modals pop up at different times while you just start to use the device. Awhile ago I was using an old iPad, dismissed a several modals and started reading. One modal that I dismissed previously came not more than two minutes later again, completely interrupting me. Stopped using it after that, wanted to throw it against the wall.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#329Finally, somewhere I can appropriately vent about this. About TWO years ago I was constantly annoyed by the 'secure your account: add your phone number here' banner frequently displayed at the top of the page upon loading FB, so I input my number to make it disappear for good. (Also, they kept hiding the 'x' (close) icon in different spots, making the banner difficult to dismiss.) A few days later I got a text messag…
That thing facebook does with demanding your phone number, that's my favorite dark pattern. Apple does the same thing with iOS upgrades. First you pose a seemingly innocent question, like 'would you like to give us your phone number so we can keep your account secure?' or 'would you like to upgrade to new iOS?'. Then you take away the NO option. You replace it with 'i'll decide later'. And by doing so, you make it no…
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Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#330The social media behemoth has seen a decline in traffic in recent weeks along with millions of users leaving its platform [...] Two years ago I said that Facebook will be dead by 2020 [1] and that line made me check the current situation, we are right on track and linear extrapolation still hits zero in mid 2020 [2]. As mentioned in the original thread, don't get fooled by the normalized numbers, the search traffic f…
Maybe in the U.S. I was in Asia few months ago and I came across people who were new to Facebook. Facebook still has a honeymoon period with those people who just discovered their 'new' platform. Given the massive population in Brazil and India that would be a sizable chunk of users.
But financially problematic for Facebook. They built an expensive cost base that relies on advertising for users with high nominal income. Advertisers pay far less for Indian and Brazilian users. That's why the decline in US users is so important, not because they lose traffic but because it's directly linked to revenues.