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Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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I feel like there's a void to be filled here. Something that allows people to build a sense of community without all the make-believe crap.

I think that's what Universal Unitarianism is meant to be - I certainly know atheists who have joined one for the community and felt welcome.

You mean Unitarian Universalism? :-)

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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Their are a lot of very biased statistics reported around bike related deaths. Even with a lot of bike infrastructure, and a biking culture Denmark sees 17% of traffic related deaths by cyclists which is vastly more than their share of miles traveled. Their are augments around health benefits. But, these fail to show up in the data as Denmark has ranks #17 in Europe significantly behind even United Kingdom with it's…

> One risk rarely considered, is heavy exercise in traffic is very bad for the lungs. While I agree air pollution is worth considering, "very bad" sounds like hyperbole to me. Definitely not anywhere near smoking. The solutions also are rather simple: change your route to avoid heavy traffic and/or wear an air filter. I've done both before and recommend the latter more, as it seems more effective, does not make breat…

Look at the occupational risks for people working as toll collectors. Toll collectors now have positive-pressure HVAC systems due to long term health risks. https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/investigations/toll_...

Exercise increases the amount of lung exposure to particulate matter per unit time.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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post #311

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Their are a lot of very biased statistics reported around bike related deaths. Even with a lot of bike infrastructure, and a biking culture Denmark sees 17% of traffic related deaths by cyclists which is vastly more than their share of miles traveled. Their are augments around health benefits. But, these fail to show up in the data as Denmark has ranks #17 in Europe significantly behind even United Kingdom with it's…

> You need or look at all related risks You are right that traffic pollution is very bad for the lungs, it's actually the cause of 30%-60% of all deaths related to lung diseases, but this is true for everyone not just cyclists. It's the same number of deaths as for sucides but with an inverse demographics graph of course, at least in Sweden. Those numbers are staggering and the solution to that is not to stop bicycli…

> this is true for everyone not just cyclists

Exercise increases the amount of lung exposure to particulate matter per unit time. Biking is also a slower mode of transit which increases risks, further cars have built in air filters which further reduce risks.

So it's really not equivalent. On the upside, bike paths need not be next to traffic and in those cases may reduce exposure.

Re: Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation system fails them

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> You need or look at all related risks You are right that traffic pollution is very bad for the lungs, it's actually the cause of 30%-60% of all deaths related to lung diseases, but this is true for everyone not just cyclists. It's the same number of deaths as for sucides but with an inverse demographics graph of course, at least in Sweden. Those numbers are staggering and the solution to that is not to stop bicycli…

> this is true for everyone not just cyclists Exercise increases the amount of lung exposure to particulate matter per unit time. Biking is also a slower mode of transit which increases risks, further cars have built in air filters which further reduce risks. So it's really not equivalent. On the upside, bike paths need not be next to traffic and in those cases may reduce exposure.

I do not disagree with the dangers of air pollution it's just that if you look at large populations of bicyclists there are no significant elevation of risk compared to other populations in this regard.

The solution is not to scare people with baseless arguments.

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