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After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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I cannot find it in my heart to admire the people who comment here proscriptively, without any attempt to signal empathy. Its understood few of us (myself included) will be doing anything to ameliorate this situation, and that empathy signalling is at best chest beating, but I still find the lack of compassion in the responses chilling. Yes, not smoking would reduce health risks and spend. so what? If you haven't tri…

I don't disagree with you, but I think there's a lot of people see the kind of people in the article as the opposition to progressive social issues like #BLM, acceptance of immigrants and the very same socialist policies that they survive off of and need to be expanded if these people are to see their lot in life improve. Rural communities overwhelmingly voted for Trump and they form the core of the Fox News constitu…

I think in many ways Trump and Sanders had the same appeal to very different demographics.

We've all come to understand that politicians are mostly liars. And I think Trump represented what was seen as a break from the mold because he seemed authentic. He said things that you're not "supposed" to say, he acted in a way you're not "supposed" to act. In general, he seemed to be being a person and not a politician. He made lots of promises as all politicians do, but I think his behavior being far outside of the mold gave people hope and optimism that he was being genuine - that he would actually fight to bring jobs back, work to curtail foreign competition for what jobs there are, and so on.

Sanders similarly broke the mold of a politician. Polls show socialism focus tests somewhere near the apocalypse, yet Sanders openly called himself a democratic socialist. And he talked about many things that have become completely taboo in politics including the corrupting influence of banks paired with a completely myopic monetary policy, single payer healthcare systems, corporate tax avoidance (something Trump also hit on), and more. He said things you're not supposed to say, and so I think we also viewed him as breaking the mold of a politician - and being somebody that might genuinely work to do the things he is talking about.

The behavior you're describing is why it's particularly tough for the two sides to ever see eye to eye. Imagine you were one of these disenfranchised poor living threadbare and barely getting by ever since the day you were born --- and the national discussion was on how to try to treat individuals who came into the country illegally better. That sort of thing breeds resentment. That resentment in turn is then characterized as racism. And that perceived racism in turn denigrates their own position even more, which results in even more empathy for immigrants leading to even greater resentment, and so on. It's a vicious cycle.

I wish there 'domestic exchange programs.' Have a substantial number of individuals living in one side of the bubble temporarily join a family living on the other side. I think peoples' eyes would be opened if they could see we all really just want the same thing - and that's a better life for the people. The only thing we disagree on is how to get there. But somehow in this process instead of seeing eye to eye we've instead characterized those that disagree with us as something less than rational humans capable of being swayed. And as both sides refuse to communicate to the other sides rationally this sort of inhumanity becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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> Not sure why this is an article. This is just normal life in many parts of rural America from Pennsylvania to Washington to Arizona. Plenty of people have no idea that there are people living like this in America.

This is true. Whenever I see people on TV or the internet or wherever raising money for clean water and basic sanitation or basic electricity in other parts of the world, I think about the THOUSANDS of homes I've seen in West Virginia, Tennessee, and especially Texas that lack water, toilets, and electricity. Somehow America's dirt poor aren't as exciting or trendy as the exotic overseas dirt poor.

> THOUSANDS of homes I've seen in West Virginia, Tennessee, and especially Texas that lack water, toilets, and electricity.

What the hell? How can this be? I'm trying to think of something constructive to say here but the situation is so outrageous that I don't know where to start.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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post #80

I cannot find it in my heart to admire the people who comment here proscriptively, without any attempt to signal empathy. Its understood few of us (myself included) will be doing anything to ameliorate this situation, and that empathy signalling is at best chest beating, but I still find the lack of compassion in the responses chilling. Yes, not smoking would reduce health risks and spend. so what? If you haven't tri…

It's because rural america has said all the same things and worse about folks in the "inner city", and supported policies which explicitly disadvantage them.

People are fresh out of sympathy. This is white america's comeuppance.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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Not sure why this is an article. This is just normal life in many parts of rural America from Pennsylvania to Washington to Arizona. When I lived in West Virginia, I did note that the Washington Post had a weird fascination with the place. Whenever things got slow, you could expect some big exposé about what a bunch of uneducated, dirty bumpkins we were. WaPo even once held a contest to come up with a new slogan for…

In case anyone is interested, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1994/12/04/... is the article in the Washington Post from December 4, 1994.

While it is a popular slogan, West Virginia has never had "Almost heaven" on its license plates. The slogans on license plates have been "Mountain State" (in all caps) and "Wild, Wonderful".

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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>because disability payments on average amount to less than minimum wage, sometimes much less, ... Why is this? How are these people expected to survive, if they are disabled to the point that they can't hold down a job, and aren't allowed to work without the risk of losing their disability payments? Busking? I know that's been one traditional job for disabled people over the centuries, but I feel like we should be a…

It's so the U.S. doesn't end up with an epidemic of people "on the dole" like they have in the U.K. PBS viewers may know it as Onslow Syndrome.

In case anyone else was confused about the reference, it appears to be to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Keeping_Up_Appearances... from the British sitcom "Keeping Up Appearances", written for the BBC but also airing in the US on PBS.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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I agree it's terrible and Chicago could do better but my point is if you really look at the number this stuff is blown way out of proportion. That's no comfort for those who are affected by it, but the odds of it happening to you even in a place like Chicago if you just take a few minor precautions are vanishingly small.

If they could do better, why aren't they?

What makes you think they aren't trying?

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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If they could do better, why aren't they?

What makes you think they aren't trying?

I don’t think they aren’t trying, I think they can’t really do much better than they are.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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post #80

I cannot find it in my heart to admire the people who comment here proscriptively, without any attempt to signal empathy. Its understood few of us (myself included) will be doing anything to ameliorate this situation, and that empathy signalling is at best chest beating, but I still find the lack of compassion in the responses chilling. Yes, not smoking would reduce health risks and spend. so what? If you haven't tri…

> I cannot find it in my heart to admire the people who comment here proscriptively, without any attempt to signal empathy.

There seems to be a small but vocal "ayn rand" crowd mired in cynicism on this site. Somehow that if everyone "worked hard", we'd all be successful. That is true to some extent but there are only a limited number of seats in the "successful" table.

There was a story on hackernews about a scientist who did nobel prize winning work but had to drive buses for a living.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15422928

There is a lot more to success than the individual. The environment and opportunities available have a lot more to do with success than the individual.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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Not sure why this is an article. This is just normal life in many parts of rural America from Pennsylvania to Washington to Arizona. When I lived in West Virginia, I did note that the Washington Post had a weird fascination with the place. Whenever things got slow, you could expect some big exposé about what a bunch of uneducated, dirty bumpkins we were. WaPo even once held a contest to come up with a new slogan for…

> Not sure why this is an article.

WashingtonPost has to generate content to make money.

Re: After the check is gone: The underground economy of rural America

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post #283

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Could you explain more about this vehicle inspection? I've never had a required inspection but I haven't driven that much either.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/smog Some states (mostly costal states) have rules that vehicles have to be inspected regularly. Some states inspect vehicles for safety reasons, other states inspect vehicles for emissions compliance, and a few states look for both. It's well intentioned, but the checks leave something to be desired. In some states, a check engine light is an automatic fail regardless of w…

I don't see at all how this makes the laws "total failures".

You're asking the emissions testing people to: believe that random guy X is going to keep his car, that he's only going to use it for one short trip a day, that the check engine light only means one thing, that it's within legal limits despite the check engine light being on, and on and on and on.

You're asking them to make an exemption--or somehow modify the laws to account for "Grampa says he will only drive short distances"--on a whole host of things they have no way of verifying or even knowing, and that makes the laws total failures?

I guess I can't see how you're proposing that vehicle emissions be regulated at all, if "this car hobbyist says..." and "grampa says..." are relevant factors in determining the road-worthiness of a car.

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