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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by madeofpalk »

solatic wrote: post #187
jamiesonbecker wrote: post #149

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Awesome, thanks! We definitely offer trial versions to install on-prem with a built-in permanent 10-server license (via a one-liner), and we provide 30 (and sometimes 60) day free trials for however many servers you need for anyone who asks. Converting to production is just a matter of pasting a new key. We could probably make this a bit more clear on our website though (it's buried in our docs section[1]) That is a…

> without diving too deep into the `curl https | sh` debate :) So now that it's clear to me that it is possible to do an on-prem install, I decided to look at your curl->sh install script. You guys are basically justifying the fears of our security folks. After grabbing sudo from the user, without asking permission, you pkill NTPD (!), add pool.ntp.org (never mind that we may run our own NTP servers, specifically to…

I've never _actually_ understood the fears behind curl https | sh when most application installers are binary blobs that'll ask for admin anyway. At least this method is mostly/completely transparent about what it's actually doing.

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Post by cyberferret »

Game_Ender wrote: post #303
mgkimsal wrote: post #206

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A wiki that allows referencing to a ticketing system - the way you can tie confluence docs to jira - is, imo, one of the unique tie-ins I've not seen replicated in any other system. Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s). I've wondered if they've got some patent on…

Phabricator has the wiki, code review, and ticketing systems tightly integrated. It's a clean, fast, and free alternative to JIRA. https://www.phacility.com

I'm a long time JIRA user who started using Phabricator last year for a side project (that has now become my main project).

I didn't really have a major problem with JIRA, but we self hosted them on AWS, and the resource requirements of JIRA, Confluence, Fisheye etc. meant that we had to set up separate instances to stop them crashing all the time.

Phabricator gives us the same functionality as all the Atlassian tools I mentioned above, but on one virtual Digital Ocean $10/mo server. It is much more reliable, and has a better, much more integrated UI.

Faster too - MUCH faster. I can really tell when I go back to JIRA to log a bug and have to wait 5 to 10 seconds for a form to build itself and load.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by madeofpalk »

pavement wrote: post #200
altotrees wrote: post #130

So we have all of these chat apps. Choice is never a bad thing, but this has to be somewhat beyond saturation point, no? I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have my work chat apps resemble social media chat apps less rather than more. Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. Also, this is coming from the makers…

Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. The difference in context is mostly related to the reality that all the best humor is NSFW, whether it's a GIF, an image macro, or any other meme-related content. The emotional responses being grasped at by most workplace humor is contaminated by power differential, and practical need f…

Work somewhere more fun.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by compuguy »

cyphar wrote: post #109

Wait, what happened to HipChat? I get that it's not as sexy as Slack, but honestly they're all basically just IRC with images and some other integrations. Why start a whole new project (which presumably isn't XMPP under the hood). From memory, Slack started out as a HipChat competitor. Not to mention, what is the on-premises story going to be (which was a major selling point of HipChat).

They are continuing to support HipChat Datacenter edition...for what it's worth.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by cyberferret »

harisamin wrote: post #239

A bit off topic but I have been working on a native Mac slack app on and off for the past couple of years. Truly native, no web views except for the Slack oauth login. Would ppl be interested in beta-testing it? Would ppl here be interested in paying for something like that? Here are some links to screenshots so you know its not just vaporware :) https://twitter.com/harisamin/status/727634194814373889 https://pbs.twi…

Seems cool. If it can use 1/10th of the memory/CPU footprint of the current Slack Atom based client (as your screenshots seem to indicate), then all the better.

Good luck with your project!

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by zanny »

edgan wrote: post #104
vesak wrote: post #54

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> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

I tried Matrix. For me it clearly lost on usability.

Matrix is a protocol. You can implement it with any client you want with any usability profile you want it to have. Unless you mean the protocol itself is flawed?

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Post by jjrh »

kuschku wrote: post #233
pavel_lishin wrote: post #231

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> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

Why not XMPP though? Why hang onto IRC? I mean sure this is cool but it's client specific features with no standardisation of the protocol (correct me if i'm wrong).

If I have to install a special client (quassel) to access these features how is that any better than installing a XMPP client?

Only thing IRC has going for it is the existing userbase, most of who run clients that won't support these new features.

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Post by zanny »

luckydude wrote: post #113
cpursley wrote: post #81

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Can you recommend an IRC client that works for non-technical folks that also works with api and webhooks capabilities?

That seems to be a project waiting to be written. It's clear that IRC can be good enough but slack wins because of the smooth on-boarding for non-technical people. I guess noone has built it because for techies, IRC is good enough, and there isn't a clear path to monetizing it?

If you are going to write a new client for a chat protocol, why use IRC over Matrix, especially since Matrix bridges to IRC?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by compuguy »

mhp wrote: post #45
shangxiao wrote: post #22

> Atlassian, the company behind popular tools like … Trello sigh It's somewhat of a misleading statement that. My take on the "behind" is in the sense that they designed and created the product from its conception. I really love the Trello UX and believe that Atlassian products are the exact polar opposite. The only way an Atlassian product seems to gain love from a community is if they emulate something already in e…

Hi! Co-founder Trello here. Agree that “behind” is maybe weird here and probably not intentional but then again the whole Trello team is now part of Atlassian. Every day we are part of the group of people that are building the future products and features. Even without us, I think today’s launch shows Atlassian is heavily invested in “unleashing the potential of EVERY team” (emphasis mine) and their design and unders…

Now if Atlassian would care for its self-hosted/on-prem products, I would believe that.
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