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Why is it not a good thing?
Giving ammo to companies spending billions of dollars to subject you to non-stop psychological warfare aimed at affecting your spending habits (and any other emotions/behaviors it needs to bulldoze over to get to that goal) is just fine, then?
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But isn't that for home security/checking in when you're not home? The always-connected part is the steep price for that functionality. Here the entire thing is designed around constantly uploading incriminating photos of you, without the value of home security.
On one hand the Dropcam is constantly uploading video and audio of you and storing it in the cloud for extended periods of time, even when you're home. On the other hand, the Echo Look only uploads photos when you ask it to, and AFAIK doesn't store them, but everyone is freaking out because it could upload photos whenever it wants. Sure, HN doesn't see the value in a Look, but it is clearly less invasive than a Dropc…
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> It makes me wonder - is it no longer narcissistic for people born in an age where camera sensors are ubiquitous to take selfies constantly? [...] Personally I lean towards it still being a narcissistic trait. Well, people used to get 8 foot tall oil portraits of themselves done; a few extra digital photos still seems a pretty big step in the right direction.
I suspect that if commissioning an artist to make portraits of any size was as cheap and easy as taking a selfie or eating junk food, we'd be balls-deep in portraits right now. Cost & effort vs value. The implication being that narcissism is nothing new or changing in prevalence, we just need to discourage its more overt forms so that we have a healthy and thoughtful population.
I think we've done a pretty good job about this, what we're left with is people taking pictures of themselves costing $0, and perhaps posting them on free sites for people who want to view & share such things. That's just about as out-of-your-face as you can get.
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what's worse: that amazon thought that enough people wouldn't care about an always-on, always-connected camera watching them get dressed (and undressed) every day, to make it a viable product ? ... or that _they might be right_ ?
This is basically a Nest Dropcam, and people seem to like those.
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I suspect that if commissioning an artist to make portraits of any size was as cheap and easy as taking a selfie or eating junk food, we'd be balls-deep in portraits right now. Cost & effort vs value. The implication being that narcissism is nothing new or changing in prevalence, we just need to discourage its more overt forms so that we have a healthy and thoughtful population.
> we just need to discourage its more overt forms I think we've done a pretty good job about this, what we're left with is people taking pictures of themselves costing $0, and perhaps posting them on free sites for people who want to view & share such things. That's just about as out-of-your-face as you can get.
You could argue that a painting, while expensive, is less overt in a spatial sense than making images of yourself available to practically any person in any location at any time. It's multi-dimensional vanity repeated ad nauseam because it costs practically nothing. Paintings are limited to specific times and locations in space-time.
The HN reaction to this device is what I expected: we're somewhere between suspicious and terrified. I'll be really fascinated to know how the wider market reacts. I was one of those who believed consumers would look at the always-on living room microphone with suspicion. But I think the lesson was pretty clear that people will trade privacy for convenience. (Likely an overabundance of trust or a lack of understandin…
I suspect there are large numbers of fashion bloggers/instagrammers that have already ordered one. In contrast with the HN reaction, ]the younger target audience will have no issue with sending their photos and videos into the cloud.
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How do you know? Amazon says their camera only records you when you ask it to, if you don't trust them, then how do you trust that your cellphone or laptop isn't recording you illicitly?
It's not even an issue of trusting Amazon. Or, just trusting their motives. You also have to trust their security on an ongoing basis, as your device could theoretically be compromised at any time.