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Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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Post by jpambrun »

jaredklewis wrote: post #244
jpambrun wrote: post #60

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Not sure Anti-ad-blocking laws are practically enforceable. Even with the ad labeling requirements relaxed, unless it is truly deceptive, a CNN could identify it just as well (or better) than we can.

Why not? Even if the risk of getting caught is small, if the penalties are large, the risk isn't worth it. Feel like risking a trip to jail just to avoid some ads? Not to mention that it is fairly easy for government to clamp down on distribution of software that allows ad blocking. As blockers will still exist, but adoption will plummet if the only place to get a ad blocker is torrent sites and such.

You just can't jail everybody that avoid DRM or blocks ads. There would be nobody left to pay for said prisons.

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Post by shouldbworking »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #275
magicalist wrote: post #272

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> Google didn't create Android, they bought it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus You'd have a better point if you had pointed to the Linux kernel, the many open source libraries, etc that make it up > Metrics for this are pretty lame, but even they show this is wrong: https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/09/15/in-your-face-goo... I doubt GP's claim is correct, but that article is terrible. Those counts…

Android, Angular, BoringSSL, Chromium, Dart, Go, Kubernete, TensorFlow. Not to mention the cash and services it ploughs into the OSS in various ways, from the Millions it gave to Firefox over the years, to people collaborating over Hangouts, to Project Zero. I don't think "unmatched" is unreasonable.

Also the biggest contributors to KVM support in the Linux kernel, which is directly driving most of the container craze.

Also HBase, Hadoop, Guava, GWT, Closure. Tons of others we probably don't know of. I would guess Google has around 500 notable open source projects where they're either major contributors or authors.

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Post by bigbugbag »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #283
Nexxxeh wrote: post #275

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Android, Angular, BoringSSL, Chromium, Dart, Go, Kubernete, TensorFlow. Not to mention the cash and services it ploughs into the OSS in various ways, from the Millions it gave to Firefox over the years, to people collaborating over Hangouts, to Project Zero. I don't think "unmatched" is unreasonable.

Millions to Firefox to be the search engine on the browser. It wasn't a donation ;)

And they made much more from firefox than what they paid.

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Post by bigbugbag »

hueving wrote: post #268
shouldbworking wrote: post #203

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I unfortunately agree with you 100%. Theres too much money tied up in advertising for it to ever go away. Google is the greatest conglomeration of Nobel worthy scientists and engineers in the last century. And their entire organization is built on advertising. After creating the best search engine and email system, they created the best web browser and most popular operating system in the world. All of this for the s…

>Google is the greatest conglomeration of Nobel worthy scientists and engineers in the last century. IIRC both Microsoft and IBM produce way more research than Google. Let's keep things in perspective. >And their entire organization is built on advertising. Similarly the entire government is built on taxation, that doesn't mean everyone in the government wants to work on taxation or is good at it. >After creating the…

You missed one:

>they created the best web browser

opera is not from google

Also I disagree with google search being the best search engine, it used to be very good 15 years ago with pages after pages of relevant results. It has gotten worse over the years to its current state of being terrible and often failing at returning relevant results.

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Post by bigbugbag »

downandout wrote: post #36

The article puts a significant emphasis on the idea that bulletproof ad-blocking technology, assuming that's what this turns out to be in practice, will work long-term becuase of legal restrictions imposed by the FTC. If Google, Facebook, or other multi-billion dollar entities detect an existential threat arising from this or any other technology, rest assured that the laws will change as quickly as is necessary to k…

In a few decades with no oil to extract from the ground, antibiotic-resistant pathogen everywhere, generalized food insecurity, power shortages, polluted air and difficulties to access clean water I'm pretty sure advertising will be gone and advertisers with their lack of useful or transferable skills will not be part of this world.

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Post by dheera »

bigbugbag wrote: post #323
NicoJuicy wrote: post #283

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Millions to Firefox to be the search engine on the browser. It wasn't a donation ;)

And they made much more from firefox than what they paid.

How so? If Firefox didn't exist they'd make the same amount from MSIE.

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Post by bigbugbag »

nailer wrote: post #280
doctorpangloss wrote: post #269

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"Nobel worthy scientists and engineers"? You'd never hire one to make you a native ad! Native ads, integrated or disguised as creative content, are impossible to block. Creative professionals, like film directors, visual artists, writers and even ad executives are the main innovators of native advertising. I would argue native advertising is where most of the relevant innovation in ads occurs. Not at Google. Creative…

YouTube's main tech was contentid, designed to prevent piracy.

Youtube had no tech and was built on piracy to grow quickly and seize the market as fast as possible in order to reach their objective of being bought by one of the giant corp.

Contentid is from google after they bought youtube and was added as an afterthought to deal with the "we own this content, pay us now" industry.

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Post by bigbugbag »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #253
pducks32 wrote: post #231

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I believe that distinction still goes to University of Chicago.

Right. There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics, computer science, or engineering, which are Google's primary fields. Although Google deserves an Economics prize for essentially inventing adtech

Google didn't invent adtech, the only thing you can credit them for is to have resisted from contracting a third party ad network and becoming an ad network on their own to be able to keep control on the form their ads take: read less annoying and intrusive: no image, no moving parts, only text thus not alienating their user base and killing their business as other website had been doing.

Funnily from here the primary fields for google seem to be surveillance, tracking, profiling, lobbying, tax evasion, abuse of dominant position, killing useful services people actually use, buying competitors to close them, killing other businesses by making a competitor product available with no price tag (you pay with your personal data being collected), evading anti-monopoly law, and other things in the same vein.

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Post by bigbugbag »

nyolfen wrote: post #243
zitterbewegung wrote: post #237

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U of C has the most people that have won the Nobel prize historically which points toward people part of the university to win more Nobel Prizes.

is that because of the psuedo-nobel for economics? i don't think that should count towards the tally, and in any case i would have guessed it was the manhattan project edit: for those who are downvoting, you might not be aware that the 'nobel' for economics is not issued by the nobel committee but rather the swedish central bank, using the nobel name to appropriate prestige from the better-known prize presented by th…

Wasn't Alfred Nobel the son of an arms dealer, himself an industrial arms dealer who made a fortune out of wars and killing ? IIRC he was dubbed the merchant of death, and he got shunned by this woman he loved because she was a pacifist and refused to be with someone who makes (tons of) money on war and killing.

Trying to PR himself into having a good reputation after his death does not change the fact that he is responsible for countless deaths and made a huge profit out of it.

So a pseudo nobel is imho way better than an actual nobel.

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Post by bigbugbag »

skybrian wrote: post #123
downandout wrote: post #36

The article puts a significant emphasis on the idea that bulletproof ad-blocking technology, assuming that's what this turns out to be in practice, will work long-term becuase of legal restrictions imposed by the FTC. If Google, Facebook, or other multi-billion dollar entities detect an existential threat arising from this or any other technology, rest assured that the laws will change as quickly as is necessary to k…

This is too cynical. You can be sure there will be lobbyists involved making the case for companies affected, but this does not guarantee results . Any business plan where there's government involved is risky. Heck, even with a Republican-controlled Congress, the Republicans can't always get their agenda passed because they don't even agree among themselves what it is. Nobody can rest easy that Congress will do what…

Google just has to threaten to move its operations to a different country if they don't get what they want and the political corpus will bow to its will. Intelligence services, banks, tax, jobs, economy, ... many domain would be impacted and pressure congress too so the congress cannot afford to lose google to a foreign country.
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