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Post by cryptarch »

somnialunatica wrote: post #266
dibeoenjr wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this is typical of your usual responses to be dismissive, faux outraged... And also just incorrect, factually incorrect. Someone finally has enough data to confront your obvious bias and enough people saw it that you had to back up and apologize but this is a rare exception. Mods removed submissions and individual posts they find distasteful and it has nothing to do with HN guidelines, they are applied unequ…

just a comment, then back to lurking: no administration leads to 4chan like boards and newsfeeds

4chan has administration, moderation and rules. I think most chans are pretty well-moderated.

/b/ is the best known and least moderated board of 4chan; only child pornography and brony stuff is removed.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by cryptarch »

matthewbauer wrote: post #237
dang wrote: post #149

The story the OP is complaining about was flagged by users. Moderators never saw it (edit: wrong, we put 2010 on the title by mistake, see downthread [1]). Had we seen it, we would have turned off the flags. There's a long tradition of people looking at HN data and posting about it. Edit #2: since the 2010 thing was our mistake (an accident of sleep deprivation by the looks of it!) I've invited foob to repost the ori…

Is there a way to get flag data on stories?

Just that it's flagged or not, if your karma is high enough.

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Post by chmaynard »

I still browse HN daily, but I lost confidence in the moderators after I posted an article that trended rapidly with an interesting, useful discussion and then suddenly dropped off the front page.

I asked the moderators why this happened. Their explanation was that the article I posted was a duplicate, and therefore created a distraction for readers who wanted to comment on new material. This struck me as total bullshit, but I tried to be constructive and proposed a method of merging multiple threads on the same article. I never got a response.

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Post by kordless »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #302
kordless wrote: post #295

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This is highly irrational and speculative in nature. If an entity flags all articles by another entity or group, they should be held accountable for their actions, which could be shown to be biased. Further, a "witch hunt" would be driven by irrational decision making processes in the "hunter" aggregate, which is the point of exposing the meta data in the first place. Stopping recursive irrational thinking is the goa…

If a user flags incorrectly it is up to the moderators to moderate. Not for other users. Note that I said 'as far as other users are concerned'.

Incorrectly indicates agreement on concensus of the aggregate. I agree with your assertions. Moderators, as infrastructure currently stands, serve an important role in shielding users from the truth of things.

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Post by kordless »

throwaway743824 wrote: post #297
tokenizerrr wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a regular user, I have no interest in being witch hunted because I flagged a story. Votes and flags should be anonymous as far as other users are concerned.

It has to cost something to hide good content if you expect people to take the time to produce or submit quality content and engage with the community. Otherwise you'll end with the things no one cared much about.

If I got paid a revenue split whenever someone paid to get public data that involved me, I'd be OK with it.

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Post by funkyy »

dang wrote: post #149

The story the OP is complaining about was flagged by users. Moderators never saw it (edit: wrong, we put 2010 on the title by mistake, see downthread [1]). Had we seen it, we would have turned off the flags. There's a long tradition of people looking at HN data and posting about it. Edit #2: since the 2010 thing was our mistake (an accident of sleep deprivation by the looks of it!) I've invited foob to repost the ori…

You should allow un-moderated, un-indexable and un-crawlable side of HN where such stories can pop.

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Post by CRConrad »

jstandard wrote: post #245
Tenoke wrote: post #199

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As much as I love this place, every time I find out more about how the sausage is made, I lose faith in HN a little bit more. Look at just the stuff from this case - heavy handed uneven constant moderation (you claim moderators dont see a bunch of stories, but those that you do see like this one, often get adjustments), misreporting, questionable transparency, too much hardly visible power of flags, etc. I know the r…

Are there other online discussion forums that also go into such detail about how the sausage is made you can point to as an example? From the ones I frequent, HN via Dan and team is the only one I've come across which frequently and directly engages the community in a detailed and genuine way about their policies.

Slashdot.
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