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" That is a loss of 25% of its value " Update as of 11 March 01:44 UTC (4h43m after the SEC decision): BTC fully recovered! It now stands at $1140, which is the level it was trading at just 2 days ago. From 09 March 00:00 UTC to the SEC decision on 10 March 21:01 UTC it gained +12% due purely to speculation ($1140 to $1280) and basically retraced these 12%: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg10zig30-minzcz…
Alternatively: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Volatility isn't the issue. Bitcoin isn't technically a currency because it can't currently be used directly to pay public debts or taxes in any nation state. Bitcoin is just another commodity like copper or crude oil.
Not a public debt or tax, and it's noted that this doesn't "legitimize" Bitcoin in the minds of the authorities, but looks like Norwegian prosecutors recently demanded the penalty for one criminal act to be partially paid in Bitcoin: https://cointelegraph.com/news/pay-up-in-bitcoins-norway-pro...
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
Volatility isn't the issue. Bitcoin isn't technically a currency because it can't currently be used directly to pay public debts or taxes in any nation state. Bitcoin is just another commodity like copper or crude oil.
I understand the quoting now, thanks. I agree with you that its not technically a currency since it's not issued and circulated by a government but I disagree with the OP that it is not ready to be a "store of value" because of a single volatility event. There are many who would argue it is a good store of value since it can't be manipulated by the issuing state's monetary policy or susceptible to the poor fiscal man…
Fiat money has its plusses, though. Directly related to the fact that governments _can_ manipulate them is the possibility of reputational currencies. Here, a state has managed its fluctuations and taken actions when prompted for sufficiently often that "news" affects them much less than commodities, since the markets assume the state will act well before it becomes an issue (this also damps good news, since to a certain effect the good news was "expected").
A good study in this phenomenon, and how to break it, is what's happened to Britain since the referendum. It has lost a lot of value, obviously, but also its volatility has gone sky-high.
Going back to OP's point, a well-managed fiat currency can be a better store of value than any commodity. Entertainingly, Sterling has lost a similar amount of value to BitCoin, but it took much longer and is regarded as a disaster. Although, like BitCoin, you'll be able to find fans swearing the exact opposite.
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>Bitcoin just went from a high of 1327.1926 to 995.9575 in the blink of an eye. That is a loss of 25% of its value. This announcement does nothing to hurt the utility of Bitcoin or its application as a medium of exchange. That drop certainly seems like a speculative investment bubble popping.
Yup. Any "currency" that can plummet in value by 25% because of a minor SEC ruling is not ready to be a store of value.
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#325>"The Commission, pursuant to Section 19(b)(2) of the Act,9 designates March 30, 2017 as the date by which the Commission should either approve or disapprove the proposed rule change."
https://news.bitcoin.com/sec-delays-decision-solidx-bitcoin-...
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#326What is the best real-time source for Bitcoin's value?
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to mention the relative consolidation of players in China. Some reports have suggested that well over 51% of mining hash power is consolidated amongst three organizations in China. My last look didn't agree with that number, but still it appears that it may be much easier to control consensus than was intended. Thus, "anything can happen" if a few key players agree behind closed doors and change the rules. I thin…
Note that pools != miners. A pool might set the policy for their blocks, but miners can swap pools whenever they feel like it. Large pools have had individual miners abandon them in masses before.
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#328Bitcoin just went from a high of 1327.1926 to 995.9575 in the blink of an eye. Wow. From the ruling.... > First, the exchange must have surveillance-sharing agreements with significant markets for trading the underlying commodity or derivatives on that commodity. And second, those markets must be regulated. > Based on the record before it, the Commission believes that the significant markets for bitcoin are unregulat…
The volume this week is actually down. It is only a handful of people trying to intentionally spike the price, and trade off the news to turn a daily profit. The only suckers are other day traders, and hodlers actually suckered some of them by buying in the dip they created.
weekly volume: https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/30d?c=e&r=week&t=...
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand the quoting now, thanks. I agree with you that its not technically a currency since it's not issued and circulated by a government but I disagree with the OP that it is not ready to be a "store of value" because of a single volatility event. There are many who would argue it is a good store of value since it can't be manipulated by the issuing state's monetary policy or susceptible to the poor fiscal man…
There have been many volatility events. Given that governments have the ability to practically outlaw it if they choose, that makes it quite risky as a store of value. Several of the major volatility events in the past of bitcoin were related to Chinese government announcements or rumors regarding regulation/legality. Sure one can transfer bitcoin without governmental approval (or against restriction), but that annoy…
Sure but I was speaking to the OPs assertion that this particular event is proof that it is not suitable as a store of value.
>"Several of the major volatility events in the past of bitcoin were related to Chinese government announcements or rumors regarding regulation/legality."
Right but this is to be expected given that China recently has been the largest market for Bitcoin by volume no? [1]
>" but that annoying need to convert to and from fiat in order to trade for other goods and services means that the governments still have a great deal of influence over bitcoin"
Is that any more annoying or any more inconvenient than having your hard-earned savings devalued by your government?
[1]http://www.coindesk.com/estimating-data-china-real-bitcoin-t...
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Bitcoin is a share of a conversion from electricity to waste heat.
Which ceases to exist entirely after a mega-solar-flare. Gold persists.