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Apple’s Devices Lose Luster in American Classrooms

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There are many iPad MDM solutions to that problem. Apple s App Store can be disabled and replaced with a custom one, for example.

Doesn't matter if its technically possible if teachers and administrators are clueless on how to do it.

The teachers and admins should not be the people administering equipment...

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The idea is that you're no longer constrained by planning around the use of a shared computer lab space. Instead, any activities that benefit from computer use can be used immediately. You don't have a "pencil and paper" lab that is used the entire school day and scheduled around, and now computers have reached the commodity price point where they don't need to either.

I don't think the vast majority of education gets much value from a computer lab, either.

Well it's probably for the best that hacker news is not in charge of teaching our children. They'd be learning go or rust or JavaScript instead of how to read books.

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Education and a 1:1 program are vastly different usage models. You're not going to be able to take a Rasperry Pi, a monitor keyboard and mouse home with you in your backpack to do your homework on.

You could take home a pi, keyboard, and mouse though. Assuming you have a TV you can plug your pi into.

That sounds like a terrible model and I'm glad you don't have children

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No, 6th form is from 16 to 18 years.

Which is almost exactly what high school is in some parts of the US (that is, in places where it is 10-12 grade.) The thing is, while the US tends to have the Elementary/Middle or Junior High/(Senior) High split in most places, the grade levels aren't the same. I've seen (and this may not be exhaustive) the splits with the following grade levels: 1-5/6-8/9-12 1-6/7-8/9-12 1-6/7-9/10-12

Two more splits: In my hometown (in Tennessee), the split was originally K-3/4-8/9-12, but around 2000 they completed the construction of a new high school, so the old high school became the new junior high and grades 4-8 got redistributed so that it was now K-2/3-5/6-8/9-12.

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The 12.9-inch iPad Pro (32GB, Wifi only) is selling for $1,049 CAD. Who are they kidding?

32 GB storage on a 1000+$ device is mind boggling. The cloud storage situation is even worse. Every Pro device (MBP or iPadP) should come with atleast 100GB cloud storage IMO.

To be honest, the only Pro thing about the MBP and iPad Pro is their name.

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You could take home a pi, keyboard, and mouse though. Assuming you have a TV you can plug your pi into.

That sounds like a terrible model and I'm glad you don't have children

Personal attacks tacked onto generic dismissals are not a thing we need more of on Hacker News, so please leave these ones unposted.

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To be honest though, I think these environments make new programmers go through the trouble of learning a platform which they can never ship a real application in; except maybe Cloud9. Scratch has been around for about 15 years now, and 12 years in a workable state. And while it seems superficially to be helpful (none of that fussy text editing!), I have never met a programmer who got their start in Scratch.

I think what you're saying is true in a sense but misses the point of this part of their education. I think the idea is less about making grade school students into career-ready programmers and more to expose them to programming concepts in general. They're increasingly useful in a wide variety of fields, even if you don't end up being a programmer or touch code again.

just teach traditional logic. programming naturally falls into those basic concepts. School is about basic education and thinking. Yes its fine to be exposed to the current modern tools but a mistake to be teaching current tools as they are always constantly changing anyways.

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That sounds like a terrible model and I'm glad you don't have children

Personal attacks tacked onto generic dismissals are not a thing we need more of on Hacker News, so please leave these ones unposted.

You're welcome to read more into my reply and usunderstand my point. I'm sorry to hear that you were diagnosed with autism.

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> Chromebooks are rubbish too, so I don't really see the move to them as a positive either. What to your mind would not be rubbish? I'm a Microsoft employee, so I have a vested interest in Windows devices being the dominant choice for schools, but I don't see anything realistic students at the high school or below level couldn't do on Chromebooks. Also, where do you live/teach? "Year 7" is not high school in the US.…

> Also, where do you live/teach? "Year 7" I'm in Australia. Nationally we are transitioning to a R-6 = Primary School, 7-12 = High School model. My school is a little unorthodox. We're a private school with a 6-12 shared campus which is why I had experience teaching younger students even though I am HS trained. > What to your mind would not be rubbish? Either Mac or PC is fine in my books. Anything that allows them t…

I use a Chromebook as my primary college as a CS student in college. Look up Crouton, it lets you chroot into Ubuntu and Debian distros. From there, you can install native programs with ease, and you still get the Chromebook price.
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